I think it may be possible that we’re only now beginning to see the very first real signs of what will ultimately develop into the inevitable and long anticipated, God all mighty ugly death crash of the “New Normal Covidian Cult.”
As the walls begin closing in on the main perpetrators and the undeniable truth begins to pester the cognitive dissonant hive mind of the indoctrinated collective in an insurmountable number of ways—we may soon be witnessing the hardened cult faithful, ardently protesting our dissenting proclamations via a number of progressively increasing sporadic and violently tinged vitriolic public outbursts in loving support of their glorious leaders!
As Ghent University professor of psychology, Mattias Desmet, has alluded to on a number of occasions… when totalitarian orders collapse, it can get mighty messy!
Don’t be at all surprised if we soon begin hearing calls throughout various pockets of social and mainstream media, for government enforced jail time for spreaders of mis & disinformation. We could very soon be finding out once and for all, who our “real” friends are—and aren’t.
Yes yes. Very basic question to ask the OPP and government. How could unvaccinated and vaccinated mixing be a problem? If you vaccine works against covid then how come it doesnt work against an unvaccinated. Covid was around nearly 2 years when vaccine mandates came. Many unvaccinated had covid or came across it so have natural antibodies There again how could the unvaccinated with natural antibodies pose a risk to the vaccinated if their vaccine works.
THen using more common sense if the unvaccinated had covid and are healthy and working or retired then exacty how dangerous is covid to the unvaccinated. You obviously dont need a vaccine then.
It's not a problem for OPP but for human relations, unvaccinated women who are dating don't necessarily want to date vaccinated men, and vice versa, due to shedding of the leaky poisonous vaccine and potential long term side effects of the spike for those especially sensitive. I am one of them.
Regina Watteel wrote a 150 page report and saw the OPP to discuss the fraud of David Fisman. They ignore it,
Yes shedding is real. But you could go to the mall where the vaccination clinic was and you are close to the vaccinated who go shopping afterwards.
Same for labs and doctors offices. Families shed in the house. The issue is the mandates and fraud of the vaccines themselves and David Fisman lying that the unvaccinated risk hurting the vaccinated. In fact shedding from the vaccinated can harm the unvaccinated. How much harm who knows as it was and is an experiment.
The OPP handcuffed a pregnant female who did not have a vaccine passport at the hockey rink but they are devoid of common sense and refuse to see the fraud of David Fisman or the harms of the vaccine. They had their own mandates. Get vaccinated or lose job which is criminal coercion and a human rights violation and they ignore the rule of law and legal precedents. David Fisman wrote the study of the vaccinated and unvaccinated mixing and he put the blame on the unvaccinated which is not the truth. The paid media heralded that fake model study.
I am sorry the vaccine shedcing could hurt you. I hope you are fine. We can only hope a very small few still take this garbage product that has killed and harmed.
Thank you. AstraZeneca killed my only healthy, fit and young brother so Fisman's Fraud hit very close to home. My hope is that Trish interviews this brilliant woman and hope that we can get vaccinated as a protected status in the human rights code through a member's bill. I need to actually find work as an unvaccinated woman but employers are still demanding vaccinations for employment which excludes many clients for me and makes this especially difficult given the economy.
Sorry to hear about your brother. Very sad. Astra zeneca had over 20 deaths in the vaccine study trials that I read and it was hidden. Fit healthy young dying. Hope you find work. Sad that companies arestill doing that. Hopefully Premier Ford is going to turn the tables on the companies as you can tell he did not want to have vaccine passports or mandates. He was forced by the special interests. Unfortunately he is mired with a padt with organized crime so that doesnt help him. Citizens can help him though. If we get a members bill to protect unvaccinated undrr human rights then that is a great step for humanity. The other Provinces need to readjust their thinking for the future.
Thank you. I agree. Dr. Watteel told me that we have enough evidence for the member's bill to protect vaccination as a status. We just need to figure out how to get the word out ❤️🩹🙏🤞.
Just a quick note here: re your work in general... We featured your substack/podcast on Page 4 of this week's Issue of Canadian Shareable News. https://canadianshareablenews.substack.com/p/csn-week-9-vol-1-issue-9 (and we added a link to your interview with Kyle Kemper on page 1.) All the best for you as you navigate in your foot-cast! And THANK YOU for holding true to journalistic standards no matter what the cost!
I think I have now responded to everyone's comments. If I missed any, my sincere apologies.
Thank you so much for everything you have shared. Telling your stories of hurt, loss, brokenness, endurance and hope is exactly what we are told not to do and exactly what we need to keep doing. You never know when it might be exactly the thing another person needs to hear to keep going on their darkest of days. Thank you so much for that.
Since I know some of you aren't on social media, I wanted to let you know that I have recently announced a ethics course I developed, "A Hero's Journey: How to Become the Person You Want to Be," aimed at those who want some support navigating the complex ethical challenges we are facing today. You can learn more about it here: https://julie-ponesse.mykajabi.com/the-heros-journey
What a gift to have you here commenting. Thanks for taking the time and making an effort for us here. I love the idea of an ethical self-improvement course and wish you the best of luck. I am nearing the point where I just want to retreat and raise chickens and goats. Not yet but soon.
Yes when your guests interviewed comment and you interact with the posters it adds so much more to your podcast and it draws people to follow you. Your interaction and likes shows you value opinions and thoughts and you are really down to earth which endears people to your shows and writings and is a mark of a genuine journalist. Fake politicians out themselves as beihg fake.
I saw your interview when you stood up against vaccine mandates. Was sad when you were fired. Amazing letter written to Laval U where Professor Provost was suspended for speaking out on the covid vaccines and some of his colleagues have requested he be reinstated. The points written in their letter that politics cannot enter into our academia and medical research otherwise how can it be true science and when political influences and financial incentives enter into the governing bodies it destroys the very institutions and when academic freedom is quashed and existing laws are ugnored then how can anyone trust the science or that institution and that can extend into our medical law enforcement and government offices and even the justice system.
Thank you for this beautiful interview Trish. You spoke apologetically about being angry, but I
m wondering why we aren't all raging mad!! We should be outraged by the trauma and criminality we've been exposed to (as the abuse continues). Now people are dying all around me, and I'm worn out from the constant onslaught of one criminal outrage after another. Meanwhile my siblings and their beautiful families still cling to their ideology like their lives depend on it. The standout for me in this interview was when you asked Julie what scares her, and she replied that the fact that much of our population refuses to wake up despite the avalanche of evidence is very frightening to her. That sums up my latest dominating fear as well. I'm now contemplating the reality that my own family may be the ones to "out me" and see me sent to the gulag. As for personal growth I so agree with you both and am so grateful for the 33 years of 12 step I have under my belt. I don't know where I'd be without it. And yes, even though we're tired, we need to keep on speaking out. God bless you Trish for this beautiful podcast. You're a lifesaver.
I apologize for being angry because I really want to be a source of lights -- even though being pissed off is what fuels the work. I feel like I've been mad since March of 2020.....a long time. I need dome meditating time to beef up the prefrontal cortex. LOL. But Julie is correct that being angry can be brave.
Sometimes being, and remaining, angry can actually be the brave thing to do. It means you care, that you are passionate about something, and not just insensitive and apathetic. Anger can be very human, the precisely accurate response to injustice in the world. If our government and institutions create policies that result in ending people's lives early, in mass infertility, in childhood illness, what kind of 'person' would see that and not get angry? (Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)
What's important, I think, is what comes out of the anger. If it results in unhealthy fixation, there's no value in that. But, if acts as a catalyst to make changes to your decisions and behaviour in your life, and those changes positively impact yourself and the world around you, then how valuable a thing is that anger?!
The bottom line: I would take anger over apathy any day.
PTSD makes one angry. We were abused during covid and many have PTSD because of it. I agree being angry means your pasxionate and you want to help others who were hurt. Your brave as you speak out against the abuses and its a mechanism of coping and healing by dealing with anger in a positive way..
Regarding Boeing: I just watched the documentary 'Downfall: the case against Boeing' - so glad you told us about it. It's a doozy! I'm reminded of a quote I first ran across while doing anti-nuclear work. “What Dr. Gerstein shows is that reasonable people, who are not malicious, and whose intent is not to kill or injure other people, will nonetheless risk killing vast numbers of people. And they will do it predictably, with awareness … They knew the risks from the beginning, at every stage … the leaders chose, in the face of serious warnings, to consciously take chances that risked disaster … Men in power are willing to risk any number of human lives to avoid an otherwise certain loss to themselves, a sure reversal of their own prospects in the short run.” – Daniel Ellsberg, quoted in the Marc Gerstein book 'Flirting with Disaster – Why Accidents Are Rarely Accidental' (https://flirtingwdisaster.wordpress.com/about/) Amazing what that obsession with profit (& personal glory) will lead a person - or corporation - to do.
The kind of reporting in the Boeing film is what The Fifth Estate used to do -- back in the day. It is a very brave piece of work and this is where the left/right conundrum emerges for me. The film was produced by very progressive left people who demand that the regulatory agencies do their jobs and that capitalism isn't always moral. Sadly these same people didn't apply this thinking to C-19. I wish they had. It is what we tried to do here. I will lookup Mr. Gerstein. Thank you.
I was so angry at the lack of common sense from day 1 and if you followed and researched everywhere the narrative or political virus was exposed. Each day I got angrier and it was absolutely appalling to see ones who had exposed corruption buckle under and follow the narrative and call out those who were speaking out of the harms. The amount of information that was out there was undeniable that people were being killed. Hospitals empty. Fear 24 7 and daily cases and deaths. Turning families and friends against each other right there and leaving the elderly to fend for themselves. Utterly despicable and selfish people pretending to be virtuous. Virtuous would be those who were courageous and supported loved ones and did not abandon them because the government told you so when the evidence did not paint a picture of any deadly virus. Even if deadly I would not abandon my loved ones. The truth was in one newspaper where homecare refused to come to the house of an elderly couple and the husband was bedridden with dementia and they both had covid and this elderly woman took care of herself and husband until her daughter in law came. If this elderly sick woman could do that then covid wasnt deadly. The health measures were. The evidence was solidified there and the media were too stupid to realize or enjoyed the monetary perks. Nurse Erin in undercover video proved the patients were being murdered in NYC Elmhurst hospital and another Nurse Nicole outed the horrors as well. Ventilators and drugs killing not the virus. We endured the propaganda daily. In Italy the elderly died from being abandoned due to strict enforced lockdowns and loved ones were stopped from going. They didnt die from a virus they died from malnutrition and not getting their medication and dehydration or loss of will to live while the mafia got richer off of lockdowns.
The clincher is how our elderly in LTC were treated. Abhorrent and dehumanizing and I can imagine the fear loneliness and confusion of our elderly as they were treated like prisoners. They are pushing MAID to our elderly to save money. If our eldely can take MAID then how come they couldnt play with death by covid with their loved ones. The hypocrisy and fake compassion makes me angrier.
Its common sense. You protected the elderly during covid like prisoners in a jail cell but offer them assisted suicide now. Where is the excuses now for what they did. They have none. They scared workers from homes for the disabled and LTC and what solution did they provide. Nothing. While the bureaucrats went from 400000 a year to 800000 with little done or accomplished. The grifters did not want it to end. Financially lucrative so they continued the fear harming more as each day went by.
Perhaps we need to out the grifters and their side jobs as they pushed the fear online and on TV. Doctors with tele health pushing lockdowns. Mask companies owned by doctors pushimg masks and doctors with air purification business pushing proper ventilation. The grifters and their conflicts of interest.
We are, in other words, quite capable of dehumanization. Hannah Arendt called it the "banality of evil." The most terrifying movies and stories, in my mind, are not ones which declare the enemy clearly and early on but the ones in which the one you thought was good, acts as your ally, turns out to be the villain all along. I'm sure we all know people who, over the last few years, were quite happy to see and ignore or condone horrors. Our capacity to numb ourselves and turn away is terrifying. What worries me is when this default lasts not just for a moment (a few months or years) but becomes generationalized, when these desensitized humans start raising and teaching their children, and those children, raise and teach their children and become leaders. Perhaps we are already seeing this.
A letter was leaked online from Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott to Minister Bill Blair and Federal Health Minister Duclos demanding they hurry up with quarantine camps so the unvaccinated could be crimalized and detained in the camps. It was in Nov 2021 and she had already written earlier to them with the same request.
Oh dear. Yes. And what comes to mind is an acquaintance of mine - a "health" bureaucrat, essentially - who went along with the whole Covid schmoz. Possibly not even believing in all of it (very likely not believing in all of it!) - but going along with it, and at very-very considerable personal profit I might add. "The banality of evil," as you say. (I read Arendt's book about Eichmann. So very chilling.) Sigh. We humans. So terribly corruptible.
Yes considerable profit to those who went along with it. Easy money for many. Can you imagine Ontario doctors who were raking in $70000 a month for just that. Then add in PPE companies tele health consultant fees while some citizens were losing their shirts.
Reminds me now of the green slush fund of the federal liberals being discussed in the house committee and this money went to friends. Remember Ontario Libs Dalton McGuinty and his merry band of friends who got half a million for consulting and $1 billion was toasted in the EHealth scandal and no one went to jail. Wonder why our healthcare is in ruins? Did doctors deserve $4500 for an ICU shift during the pandemic while grocery store employees got $2 hr raise so roughly $80 a week before taxes give or take. A part timer got $40 a week. Nothing political here just the facts..
I wanted to let you know that I'm planning on responding to each of your comments; it will just take a bit of time. Public discussions like this are tremendously important. And I can feel the pain and loneliness and strength in every line. Thank you for your bravery and willingness to speak at this time. It is one of the hardest, but most important, things we can do.
I have been reading the comments. We all feel the same, have been ‘cancelled’ the same way, and we all lose sleep/friends/family the SAME way. I am a 73 yr old retired Nurse (43 years) from The University Health Network in Toronto, (Heam/Onc). (as well as part time in ALL the Specialties, even and most importantly Palliative Care). HOW TO CONTINUE with an upside down world!! 1. Be grateful for Trish Wood and Dr July Ponesse. 2. Find religion/belief, whatever, to give more consideration to. I am a non practicing Jew. But presently found Jesus 😳. It doesn’t matter…whatever gives your constant mental anguish a break!!!! Socrates: “Let No Day Pass Without Discussing Goodness”.
Finding goodness is key. I am signing up to read to children struggling with that through a program at the library....I am already looking forward to it. They teach us about service in AA being the road to mental health. Easy to forget in these times.
Finding meaning/purpose has been shown to be the biggest key to happiness, stress relief, etc. Thanks for this and for your service all those years. The current medical system must look like such a Twilight Zone to you.
More happiness in giving then in receiving. Always true and when people can truly understand the impact that moral truth has they can find happiness. All the comments I read on Trish*s blog shows we have caring kind compassionate people who are giving of themselves by sharing thoughts ideas and being a moral support to others and in turn it is helping them.
What a wonderful show and so therapeutic as well. I listened to this staining my deck on a beautiful weekend in Southern Alberta. I found myself finishing Julie's sentences out loud followed by a few intermittent moments of tears...especially to Dylan. I hope some of my neighbors took some advice from it as well....most of them need it. The people I am disappointed in most nowadays who were aware during Covid and now have gone back to regular life like nothing happened. 🤦♂️. I don't understand this myself as once you look behind the curtain to see what's there, you CAN'T turn back. I love the Truth over Tribe, Trish. We all have our own thoughts and aren't going to 100% agree with anyone...respect that! Enough with being keyboard warriors and virtue signallers, be yourself and respect others!
Imagine if Trish's show was broadcast to every neighbourhood!
I was talking with a friend earlier today about what happens when the story of your tribe is challenged by another story, and you start to wonder if that competing story is the truth. What kind of cognitive dissonance does that create? Does it create dissonance for everyone? Or are some immune to, or incapable, of it? How long can dissonance be sustained before the psychological and even physical effects can't be sustained? Do we collapse under the weight of the tension, giving way to one story over another?
This conversation was profoundly affirming for me. The devastation is just beginning economically, and the health outcomes are so egregious and yet people are still being lied to…just so much dark I feel like I desperately need the light to hold the line and this conversation gave me a bridge to do this in a thoughtful and respectful way. The story about the baby goat had me blubbering like a baby 🤦♀️ but such a perfect illustration of the damage we can do (unknowingly) by trying to save anyone from the truth. #truthovertribe
Hey Trish, l tried to find your interview with JT's brother Kyle Kempner from mid March to attach this comment. Have you seen this from Tucker Carlson?
I have ...poor Tucker always behind our little podcast here.....LOL....It was only a matter of time given Tucker's hatred of Trudeau and sense of humour. I quite like Kyle ...he is critical of Justin but mindful of their relationship. I think it shows spiritual growth for him......Thanks for the link.
Loooooved listening to you two sparkly and brilliant women have a beautiful conversation. Julie, I watched your initial posts on IG, rapt. With tears in my eyes. Wondering what would become of your career- and mine. Your bills, and mine. Your heart and mine. Your bravery and grace was utterly inspiring. Trish, you have been with me (and many of us) in my darkest hours, too. Adore both of you. I promise you both that I’m always trying to do better. Speak more freely. Lean into the light, the truth. I struggle constantly, but I’m doing my best. Both of you have made such a deep impact on so many people’s lives, including mine. ♥️♥️♥️
Very kind words. Podcasting can be lonely -- sitting in the studio by myself week after week wondering where it is all landing. Julie makes my job easy. She is a person I aspire to be more like.
This is so beautifully written. The best is what we all need to do, all any of us can do. Eventually it will make a difference. But we can't give up. Our children and grandchildren are counting on us to push through, even on our darkest days.
Where to begin with the array of images and references in this satisfying interview. I hope the old goat lives a few more weeks, but I agree that facing into the truth of life's fragility and mortality - even through the twilight of an old goat you can take your (Julie's) daughter to see (and explain to her what is going on with the elderly goat) is so important. I remember being told at the age of ten by one of my parents about our cat that had diabetes and had to be "put down." And I understood - in my ten-year-old self - what was happening to our family cat, Cleo.
In the mid-to-late 90s I worked at a religiously affiliated retreat centre where the participants took their courses (for a week or weekend), had time to reflect, rest. The evaluation forms were consistently 9 out of 10 (on average). And the work as staff/leaders was very enriching. I was grateful for every day. BUT underneath, there was a culture of burn-out. We were the hands and feet of Christ, and you couldn't work hard enough or long enough. And in the culture there was a shift from mid-20th C core Protestant values to a need to perfect ourselves. Though 'Love' was a core spoken value, we were weaving in threads of psychology and finding the flaws, and spending time getting different psychological frameworks to understand each other. And there can be a place for self-awareness. Yet, in the mix, it was clear in the life of groups that loving other members in the group was less important than my/your/his/her learning goals. If someone else wasn't up to speed with the pace of the program, maybe we could get rid of them. Not that the place became Survivor Island. However, I saw how the culture of perfectionism, the rat race, the hurtling toward longer resumes, was crowding out the spaciousness of a spirituality that perhaps the Beatles understood when they wrote "Let It Be".
I write this because, in being asked as a listener in the interview how I think we got to where we were as a society/culture in 2020, I agree that patterns of perfectionism, of goal setting in organizations, in calendar planning for 18 to 24 months ahead, all leads to a place that doesn't allow time for rest. The Sabbath was the gift the retreat centre I worked at gave its participants. But it was often skipped for the staff. And once we are living a life were we are always on "on mode," the lure to question what's going on falters.
If we as a culture don't have space between the notes, if we are over scheduled at work, at home, and even in our social lives, we won't have time to really grasp what has happened to us over the past four years. I think that many people 'waterskied' through the 'pandemic' during the past four years. The depths of what has occurred, the harms, the deception, the societal upheaval, isn't on the radar for too many people. I might envy living on the surface of what happened the past four years, but some people in my address book can't walk, talk, work or have a dog as a consequence of their vaccination.
Denial is part of the mix. But I think it's also generational habits of looking out for number one, seeing who is in charge and if we just please the people in charge, maybe we'll get ahead somehow. The schooling of our society into the rat race on steroids, and away from a contemplative life - away from stopping to smell the roses (or to even know the names of flowers) - is part of what got us here, and contributed to our compliance.
Of course, coerced compliance was fueled by telling employees if you don't take this vaccine you will be fired, and you won't likely be able to get a job anywhere else (because other employers also require the jab) and you won't be able to access your Employment Assistance benefits that you've paid into with your own $$$ for years. Denying citizens their Charter rights has taken us to a new place on the edge of tyranny.
I wonder what chroniclers of the "fall of Rome", or the lead up to the French Revolution did to kick back? Our moment in history - in Canada and across Western democracies - is distinct. But the foundations continue to shake. I want to spend more time with the people who are noticing the tremors.
Lovely note, Ray. Rate race on steroids is a great phrase. I am dialing back some of the crazy and looking at some of life's small gifts. It is hard to find a balance but we try.
Hi Ray, I'm so glad you were able to listen. You tap into so many of our all-too-human imperfections that culminated in the perfect storm of perfectionism begun 4 years ago. I'm reminded that I promised you a book. It will go in the mail this week! (I'm sorry about the delay.) One thing I write about in the book is how the mandates combed through our institutions and professions, weeding out the bravest and most likely to resist. I fear what will happen when there are fewer natural resisters next time around. Many of us are now working from the outside. Maybe we are more powerful there. Maybe our freedom will allow us to speak more truth, or to speak it louder. This is why public conversations (like the one Trish and I had, and also this conversation thread) are so important; they keep an anti-narrative story echoing in the background. Eventually, that echo can become voice of its own, a voice that can rival the dominant narrative. But we need more to speak, and to keep doing so. Thank you for doing your part!
Thanks Julie. There were so many moments in the conversation you and Trish had that stood out. This includes your remarks on the post-modernist vacuum where "nothing matters," and simultaneously, there is "no room for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of curiosity..." And that "our gut, our instinct can be dangerous...to mold it, guide it." And your firsthand experience of giving birth in a hospital in Canada in April 2020, one month into the 'pandemic,' what you were noticing - I found this all very compelling. And references to the Tukesgee experiment, doctors and nurses watching African-American men dying of syphilis. AND Hannah Arendt's observations of Adolf Eichmann. That professional people can be trained to do the opposite of what they are meant to do. It was a very rich mix throughout the interview.
If I hadn't left my institutional job back in the late 90s, I wouldn't have cut an independent path as a self-employed writing workshop instructor/author. I might have ended up being a Christian Education Director in a panic-stricken congregation in 2020 surrounded by groupthink. Instead, being self-employed for over two decades by 2020, despite its risks, being my own boss meant no one could fire me during the 'pandemic' for my public expressions of dissent (on the alternative media).
I look forward to the signed copy of your book! Thanks for your encouragement.
As well, all of us choosing to listen to interviews like this one are spending hours away from the mainstream media. It is time well spent, given the bald betrayal of our Canadian institutions of late.
Trish, thank you for another great interview. You touched on so many important issues:
Julie said she feels even more distant from people who went along with the narrative and still have not woken up to the “truth”. I feel the same way. You said that how people experienced Covid was largely determined my what news media they relied on.
I think this is how 70 percent of the people continue to be in the dark. The legacy media gaslights, lies or simply doesn’t cover anything that contradicts the narrative.
What you often don’t ask or address is the question who or what is controlling/ orchestrating the narrative. The “media” is not independent and is simply a propaganda brainwashing tool. We saw the media’s power to manipulate during Covid. Nothing has changed. It’s only worse now. Media didn’t make mistakes. They lied on purpose.
Also, love your idea on doing more podcast on how individuals weathered Covid and continue to feel it’s effects.
Brilliant work. Love Julie. I want to get her book. She’s educated but thank god, still has the Ability to think critically. Can’t say enough positive things about her work.
She is a gift. A quiet, humble numan who just keeps doing the next right thing. There is a lot of sound and fury in the movement - necessary I suppose -- but her thoughtful empathy is perhaps most important of all.
Hi DV, thanks for your comment. You are incredibly generous and I appreciate it more than you can know. I wouldn't change how I responded the last few years for a minute but I can tell you that it shakes and breaks your world in ways that are hard to explain. Understanding and support means the world.
Also, I think a lot of people are asking, and answering, the question about who is controlling the narrative, actually. Thank goodness! I agree that the media's deception is controlled and coordinated, not accidental or natural. But my own focus is on why we were so willing to comply, why we didn't ask more questions, what is weak or broken in us that didn't help us to stand up for ourselves and protect those we care about. Answering that question took me deep into the annals of history and moral psychology, and I'm sure it is something I will be trying to understand for years to come. But I believe we need to understand it if we are to have a chance of escaping this controller/controlled cycle.
Thank you for your detailed response. I very much value and appreciate your focus. And agree entirely that for many like us, it’s baffling why and how so many people just went along with the craziness. As Trish said and you as well, you don’t need to be a scientist in immunology to understand that a so called new vaccine can’t be fully tested in 9 months. Moreover the draconian mandates should have roused more widespread opposition. Again thank you for your excellent book and research. I hope your voice is heard around the world by many.
The control of the media is such a huge problem I think. Two of my family members here in Canada were not aware of RFK junior running for president in the US this year. It’s like we are of the world and they are of the fake world. Or some have turned off the TV, but do not get any news at all anymore and just trust the system they’re in.
I turned off the TV long ago but not for that reason. There's a deep and sustaining comfort to tribalism. To know that you won't be left out of the tent for the lions to eat at night, that you won't be left to forage on your own, that there will be people to care for you when you break a limb or succumb to illness. You might be deceived and controlled, but you don't need to bear responsibility for all aspects of your life. And responsibility is burdensome if you don't see the payoff.
I think it may be possible that we’re only now beginning to see the very first real signs of what will ultimately develop into the inevitable and long anticipated, God all mighty ugly death crash of the “New Normal Covidian Cult.”
As the walls begin closing in on the main perpetrators and the undeniable truth begins to pester the cognitive dissonant hive mind of the indoctrinated collective in an insurmountable number of ways—we may soon be witnessing the hardened cult faithful, ardently protesting our dissenting proclamations via a number of progressively increasing sporadic and violently tinged vitriolic public outbursts in loving support of their glorious leaders!
As Ghent University professor of psychology, Mattias Desmet, has alluded to on a number of occasions… when totalitarian orders collapse, it can get mighty messy!
Don’t be at all surprised if we soon begin hearing calls throughout various pockets of social and mainstream media, for government enforced jail time for spreaders of mis & disinformation. We could very soon be finding out once and for all, who our “real” friends are—and aren’t.
https://open.substack.com/pub/johnbotica/p/realitys-biting-hard-and-the-cults?r=tz7cx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Please bring Regina Watteel PhD who wrote: "Fisman's Fraud: the rise of Canadian Hate science" on your podcast. Please 🙏❤️🩹🙏
Yes yes. Very basic question to ask the OPP and government. How could unvaccinated and vaccinated mixing be a problem? If you vaccine works against covid then how come it doesnt work against an unvaccinated. Covid was around nearly 2 years when vaccine mandates came. Many unvaccinated had covid or came across it so have natural antibodies There again how could the unvaccinated with natural antibodies pose a risk to the vaccinated if their vaccine works.
THen using more common sense if the unvaccinated had covid and are healthy and working or retired then exacty how dangerous is covid to the unvaccinated. You obviously dont need a vaccine then.
It's not a problem for OPP but for human relations, unvaccinated women who are dating don't necessarily want to date vaccinated men, and vice versa, due to shedding of the leaky poisonous vaccine and potential long term side effects of the spike for those especially sensitive. I am one of them.
Regina Watteel wrote a 150 page report and saw the OPP to discuss the fraud of David Fisman. They ignore it,
Yes shedding is real. But you could go to the mall where the vaccination clinic was and you are close to the vaccinated who go shopping afterwards.
Same for labs and doctors offices. Families shed in the house. The issue is the mandates and fraud of the vaccines themselves and David Fisman lying that the unvaccinated risk hurting the vaccinated. In fact shedding from the vaccinated can harm the unvaccinated. How much harm who knows as it was and is an experiment.
The OPP handcuffed a pregnant female who did not have a vaccine passport at the hockey rink but they are devoid of common sense and refuse to see the fraud of David Fisman or the harms of the vaccine. They had their own mandates. Get vaccinated or lose job which is criminal coercion and a human rights violation and they ignore the rule of law and legal precedents. David Fisman wrote the study of the vaccinated and unvaccinated mixing and he put the blame on the unvaccinated which is not the truth. The paid media heralded that fake model study.
I am sorry the vaccine shedcing could hurt you. I hope you are fine. We can only hope a very small few still take this garbage product that has killed and harmed.
Thank you. AstraZeneca killed my only healthy, fit and young brother so Fisman's Fraud hit very close to home. My hope is that Trish interviews this brilliant woman and hope that we can get vaccinated as a protected status in the human rights code through a member's bill. I need to actually find work as an unvaccinated woman but employers are still demanding vaccinations for employment which excludes many clients for me and makes this especially difficult given the economy.
Sorry to hear about your brother. Very sad. Astra zeneca had over 20 deaths in the vaccine study trials that I read and it was hidden. Fit healthy young dying. Hope you find work. Sad that companies arestill doing that. Hopefully Premier Ford is going to turn the tables on the companies as you can tell he did not want to have vaccine passports or mandates. He was forced by the special interests. Unfortunately he is mired with a padt with organized crime so that doesnt help him. Citizens can help him though. If we get a members bill to protect unvaccinated undrr human rights then that is a great step for humanity. The other Provinces need to readjust their thinking for the future.
Thank you. I agree. Dr. Watteel told me that we have enough evidence for the member's bill to protect vaccination as a status. We just need to figure out how to get the word out ❤️🩹🙏🤞.
Just a quick note here: re your work in general... We featured your substack/podcast on Page 4 of this week's Issue of Canadian Shareable News. https://canadianshareablenews.substack.com/p/csn-week-9-vol-1-issue-9 (and we added a link to your interview with Kyle Kemper on page 1.) All the best for you as you navigate in your foot-cast! And THANK YOU for holding true to journalistic standards no matter what the cost!
Hi everyone,
I think I have now responded to everyone's comments. If I missed any, my sincere apologies.
Thank you so much for everything you have shared. Telling your stories of hurt, loss, brokenness, endurance and hope is exactly what we are told not to do and exactly what we need to keep doing. You never know when it might be exactly the thing another person needs to hear to keep going on their darkest of days. Thank you so much for that.
Since I know some of you aren't on social media, I wanted to let you know that I have recently announced a ethics course I developed, "A Hero's Journey: How to Become the Person You Want to Be," aimed at those who want some support navigating the complex ethical challenges we are facing today. You can learn more about it here: https://julie-ponesse.mykajabi.com/the-heros-journey
Yours in truth and strength,
Julie
What a gift to have you here commenting. Thanks for taking the time and making an effort for us here. I love the idea of an ethical self-improvement course and wish you the best of luck. I am nearing the point where I just want to retreat and raise chickens and goats. Not yet but soon.
Yes when your guests interviewed comment and you interact with the posters it adds so much more to your podcast and it draws people to follow you. Your interaction and likes shows you value opinions and thoughts and you are really down to earth which endears people to your shows and writings and is a mark of a genuine journalist. Fake politicians out themselves as beihg fake.
I'm not sure those things are inconsistent. Raise chickens and goats and work on yourself in the process. It's amazing what a goat will do. ;)
I saw your interview when you stood up against vaccine mandates. Was sad when you were fired. Amazing letter written to Laval U where Professor Provost was suspended for speaking out on the covid vaccines and some of his colleagues have requested he be reinstated. The points written in their letter that politics cannot enter into our academia and medical research otherwise how can it be true science and when political influences and financial incentives enter into the governing bodies it destroys the very institutions and when academic freedom is quashed and existing laws are ugnored then how can anyone trust the science or that institution and that can extend into our medical law enforcement and government offices and even the justice system.
Thank you for this beautiful interview Trish. You spoke apologetically about being angry, but I
m wondering why we aren't all raging mad!! We should be outraged by the trauma and criminality we've been exposed to (as the abuse continues). Now people are dying all around me, and I'm worn out from the constant onslaught of one criminal outrage after another. Meanwhile my siblings and their beautiful families still cling to their ideology like their lives depend on it. The standout for me in this interview was when you asked Julie what scares her, and she replied that the fact that much of our population refuses to wake up despite the avalanche of evidence is very frightening to her. That sums up my latest dominating fear as well. I'm now contemplating the reality that my own family may be the ones to "out me" and see me sent to the gulag. As for personal growth I so agree with you both and am so grateful for the 33 years of 12 step I have under my belt. I don't know where I'd be without it. And yes, even though we're tired, we need to keep on speaking out. God bless you Trish for this beautiful podcast. You're a lifesaver.
I apologize for being angry because I really want to be a source of lights -- even though being pissed off is what fuels the work. I feel like I've been mad since March of 2020.....a long time. I need dome meditating time to beef up the prefrontal cortex. LOL. But Julie is correct that being angry can be brave.
Sometimes being, and remaining, angry can actually be the brave thing to do. It means you care, that you are passionate about something, and not just insensitive and apathetic. Anger can be very human, the precisely accurate response to injustice in the world. If our government and institutions create policies that result in ending people's lives early, in mass infertility, in childhood illness, what kind of 'person' would see that and not get angry? (Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)
What's important, I think, is what comes out of the anger. If it results in unhealthy fixation, there's no value in that. But, if acts as a catalyst to make changes to your decisions and behaviour in your life, and those changes positively impact yourself and the world around you, then how valuable a thing is that anger?!
The bottom line: I would take anger over apathy any day.
PTSD makes one angry. We were abused during covid and many have PTSD because of it. I agree being angry means your pasxionate and you want to help others who were hurt. Your brave as you speak out against the abuses and its a mechanism of coping and healing by dealing with anger in a positive way..
I really liked your comment. Yes, I agree. We should all be angry about what’s happened. No need to apologize.
Regarding Boeing: I just watched the documentary 'Downfall: the case against Boeing' - so glad you told us about it. It's a doozy! I'm reminded of a quote I first ran across while doing anti-nuclear work. “What Dr. Gerstein shows is that reasonable people, who are not malicious, and whose intent is not to kill or injure other people, will nonetheless risk killing vast numbers of people. And they will do it predictably, with awareness … They knew the risks from the beginning, at every stage … the leaders chose, in the face of serious warnings, to consciously take chances that risked disaster … Men in power are willing to risk any number of human lives to avoid an otherwise certain loss to themselves, a sure reversal of their own prospects in the short run.” – Daniel Ellsberg, quoted in the Marc Gerstein book 'Flirting with Disaster – Why Accidents Are Rarely Accidental' (https://flirtingwdisaster.wordpress.com/about/) Amazing what that obsession with profit (& personal glory) will lead a person - or corporation - to do.
The kind of reporting in the Boeing film is what The Fifth Estate used to do -- back in the day. It is a very brave piece of work and this is where the left/right conundrum emerges for me. The film was produced by very progressive left people who demand that the regulatory agencies do their jobs and that capitalism isn't always moral. Sadly these same people didn't apply this thinking to C-19. I wish they had. It is what we tried to do here. I will lookup Mr. Gerstein. Thank you.
I was so angry at the lack of common sense from day 1 and if you followed and researched everywhere the narrative or political virus was exposed. Each day I got angrier and it was absolutely appalling to see ones who had exposed corruption buckle under and follow the narrative and call out those who were speaking out of the harms. The amount of information that was out there was undeniable that people were being killed. Hospitals empty. Fear 24 7 and daily cases and deaths. Turning families and friends against each other right there and leaving the elderly to fend for themselves. Utterly despicable and selfish people pretending to be virtuous. Virtuous would be those who were courageous and supported loved ones and did not abandon them because the government told you so when the evidence did not paint a picture of any deadly virus. Even if deadly I would not abandon my loved ones. The truth was in one newspaper where homecare refused to come to the house of an elderly couple and the husband was bedridden with dementia and they both had covid and this elderly woman took care of herself and husband until her daughter in law came. If this elderly sick woman could do that then covid wasnt deadly. The health measures were. The evidence was solidified there and the media were too stupid to realize or enjoyed the monetary perks. Nurse Erin in undercover video proved the patients were being murdered in NYC Elmhurst hospital and another Nurse Nicole outed the horrors as well. Ventilators and drugs killing not the virus. We endured the propaganda daily. In Italy the elderly died from being abandoned due to strict enforced lockdowns and loved ones were stopped from going. They didnt die from a virus they died from malnutrition and not getting their medication and dehydration or loss of will to live while the mafia got richer off of lockdowns.
The clincher is how our elderly in LTC were treated. Abhorrent and dehumanizing and I can imagine the fear loneliness and confusion of our elderly as they were treated like prisoners. They are pushing MAID to our elderly to save money. If our eldely can take MAID then how come they couldnt play with death by covid with their loved ones. The hypocrisy and fake compassion makes me angrier.
Its common sense. You protected the elderly during covid like prisoners in a jail cell but offer them assisted suicide now. Where is the excuses now for what they did. They have none. They scared workers from homes for the disabled and LTC and what solution did they provide. Nothing. While the bureaucrats went from 400000 a year to 800000 with little done or accomplished. The grifters did not want it to end. Financially lucrative so they continued the fear harming more as each day went by.
Perhaps we need to out the grifters and their side jobs as they pushed the fear online and on TV. Doctors with tele health pushing lockdowns. Mask companies owned by doctors pushimg masks and doctors with air purification business pushing proper ventilation. The grifters and their conflicts of interest.
We are, in other words, quite capable of dehumanization. Hannah Arendt called it the "banality of evil." The most terrifying movies and stories, in my mind, are not ones which declare the enemy clearly and early on but the ones in which the one you thought was good, acts as your ally, turns out to be the villain all along. I'm sure we all know people who, over the last few years, were quite happy to see and ignore or condone horrors. Our capacity to numb ourselves and turn away is terrifying. What worries me is when this default lasts not just for a moment (a few months or years) but becomes generationalized, when these desensitized humans start raising and teaching their children, and those children, raise and teach their children and become leaders. Perhaps we are already seeing this.
A letter was leaked online from Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott to Minister Bill Blair and Federal Health Minister Duclos demanding they hurry up with quarantine camps so the unvaccinated could be crimalized and detained in the camps. It was in Nov 2021 and she had already written earlier to them with the same request.
Oh dear. Yes. And what comes to mind is an acquaintance of mine - a "health" bureaucrat, essentially - who went along with the whole Covid schmoz. Possibly not even believing in all of it (very likely not believing in all of it!) - but going along with it, and at very-very considerable personal profit I might add. "The banality of evil," as you say. (I read Arendt's book about Eichmann. So very chilling.) Sigh. We humans. So terribly corruptible.
Yes considerable profit to those who went along with it. Easy money for many. Can you imagine Ontario doctors who were raking in $70000 a month for just that. Then add in PPE companies tele health consultant fees while some citizens were losing their shirts.
Reminds me now of the green slush fund of the federal liberals being discussed in the house committee and this money went to friends. Remember Ontario Libs Dalton McGuinty and his merry band of friends who got half a million for consulting and $1 billion was toasted in the EHealth scandal and no one went to jail. Wonder why our healthcare is in ruins? Did doctors deserve $4500 for an ICU shift during the pandemic while grocery store employees got $2 hr raise so roughly $80 a week before taxes give or take. A part timer got $40 a week. Nothing political here just the facts..
A general note to everyone:
I wanted to let you know that I'm planning on responding to each of your comments; it will just take a bit of time. Public discussions like this are tremendously important. And I can feel the pain and loneliness and strength in every line. Thank you for your bravery and willingness to speak at this time. It is one of the hardest, but most important, things we can do.
I have been reading the comments. We all feel the same, have been ‘cancelled’ the same way, and we all lose sleep/friends/family the SAME way. I am a 73 yr old retired Nurse (43 years) from The University Health Network in Toronto, (Heam/Onc). (as well as part time in ALL the Specialties, even and most importantly Palliative Care). HOW TO CONTINUE with an upside down world!! 1. Be grateful for Trish Wood and Dr July Ponesse. 2. Find religion/belief, whatever, to give more consideration to. I am a non practicing Jew. But presently found Jesus 😳. It doesn’t matter…whatever gives your constant mental anguish a break!!!! Socrates: “Let No Day Pass Without Discussing Goodness”.
Finding goodness is key. I am signing up to read to children struggling with that through a program at the library....I am already looking forward to it. They teach us about service in AA being the road to mental health. Easy to forget in these times.
Finding meaning/purpose has been shown to be the biggest key to happiness, stress relief, etc. Thanks for this and for your service all those years. The current medical system must look like such a Twilight Zone to you.
More happiness in giving then in receiving. Always true and when people can truly understand the impact that moral truth has they can find happiness. All the comments I read on Trish*s blog shows we have caring kind compassionate people who are giving of themselves by sharing thoughts ideas and being a moral support to others and in turn it is helping them.
What a wonderful show and so therapeutic as well. I listened to this staining my deck on a beautiful weekend in Southern Alberta. I found myself finishing Julie's sentences out loud followed by a few intermittent moments of tears...especially to Dylan. I hope some of my neighbors took some advice from it as well....most of them need it. The people I am disappointed in most nowadays who were aware during Covid and now have gone back to regular life like nothing happened. 🤦♂️. I don't understand this myself as once you look behind the curtain to see what's there, you CAN'T turn back. I love the Truth over Tribe, Trish. We all have our own thoughts and aren't going to 100% agree with anyone...respect that! Enough with being keyboard warriors and virtue signallers, be yourself and respect others!
Imagine if Trish's show was broadcast to every neighbourhood!
I was talking with a friend earlier today about what happens when the story of your tribe is challenged by another story, and you start to wonder if that competing story is the truth. What kind of cognitive dissonance does that create? Does it create dissonance for everyone? Or are some immune to, or incapable, of it? How long can dissonance be sustained before the psychological and even physical effects can't be sustained? Do we collapse under the weight of the tension, giving way to one story over another?
This conversation was profoundly affirming for me. The devastation is just beginning economically, and the health outcomes are so egregious and yet people are still being lied to…just so much dark I feel like I desperately need the light to hold the line and this conversation gave me a bridge to do this in a thoughtful and respectful way. The story about the baby goat had me blubbering like a baby 🤦♀️ but such a perfect illustration of the damage we can do (unknowingly) by trying to save anyone from the truth. #truthovertribe
Hey Trish, l tried to find your interview with JT's brother Kyle Kempner from mid March to attach this comment. Have you seen this from Tucker Carlson?
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/gKL2G3rLgmDUjnsw/?mibextid=FQVVTg
I have ...poor Tucker always behind our little podcast here.....LOL....It was only a matter of time given Tucker's hatred of Trudeau and sense of humour. I quite like Kyle ...he is critical of Justin but mindful of their relationship. I think it shows spiritual growth for him......Thanks for the link.
Loooooved listening to you two sparkly and brilliant women have a beautiful conversation. Julie, I watched your initial posts on IG, rapt. With tears in my eyes. Wondering what would become of your career- and mine. Your bills, and mine. Your heart and mine. Your bravery and grace was utterly inspiring. Trish, you have been with me (and many of us) in my darkest hours, too. Adore both of you. I promise you both that I’m always trying to do better. Speak more freely. Lean into the light, the truth. I struggle constantly, but I’m doing my best. Both of you have made such a deep impact on so many people’s lives, including mine. ♥️♥️♥️
Very kind words. Podcasting can be lonely -- sitting in the studio by myself week after week wondering where it is all landing. Julie makes my job easy. She is a person I aspire to be more like.
This is so beautifully written. The best is what we all need to do, all any of us can do. Eventually it will make a difference. But we can't give up. Our children and grandchildren are counting on us to push through, even on our darkest days.
Julie, will your book come out as an audiobook?
No plans for that at present but you never know.
Where to begin with the array of images and references in this satisfying interview. I hope the old goat lives a few more weeks, but I agree that facing into the truth of life's fragility and mortality - even through the twilight of an old goat you can take your (Julie's) daughter to see (and explain to her what is going on with the elderly goat) is so important. I remember being told at the age of ten by one of my parents about our cat that had diabetes and had to be "put down." And I understood - in my ten-year-old self - what was happening to our family cat, Cleo.
In the mid-to-late 90s I worked at a religiously affiliated retreat centre where the participants took their courses (for a week or weekend), had time to reflect, rest. The evaluation forms were consistently 9 out of 10 (on average). And the work as staff/leaders was very enriching. I was grateful for every day. BUT underneath, there was a culture of burn-out. We were the hands and feet of Christ, and you couldn't work hard enough or long enough. And in the culture there was a shift from mid-20th C core Protestant values to a need to perfect ourselves. Though 'Love' was a core spoken value, we were weaving in threads of psychology and finding the flaws, and spending time getting different psychological frameworks to understand each other. And there can be a place for self-awareness. Yet, in the mix, it was clear in the life of groups that loving other members in the group was less important than my/your/his/her learning goals. If someone else wasn't up to speed with the pace of the program, maybe we could get rid of them. Not that the place became Survivor Island. However, I saw how the culture of perfectionism, the rat race, the hurtling toward longer resumes, was crowding out the spaciousness of a spirituality that perhaps the Beatles understood when they wrote "Let It Be".
I write this because, in being asked as a listener in the interview how I think we got to where we were as a society/culture in 2020, I agree that patterns of perfectionism, of goal setting in organizations, in calendar planning for 18 to 24 months ahead, all leads to a place that doesn't allow time for rest. The Sabbath was the gift the retreat centre I worked at gave its participants. But it was often skipped for the staff. And once we are living a life were we are always on "on mode," the lure to question what's going on falters.
If we as a culture don't have space between the notes, if we are over scheduled at work, at home, and even in our social lives, we won't have time to really grasp what has happened to us over the past four years. I think that many people 'waterskied' through the 'pandemic' during the past four years. The depths of what has occurred, the harms, the deception, the societal upheaval, isn't on the radar for too many people. I might envy living on the surface of what happened the past four years, but some people in my address book can't walk, talk, work or have a dog as a consequence of their vaccination.
Denial is part of the mix. But I think it's also generational habits of looking out for number one, seeing who is in charge and if we just please the people in charge, maybe we'll get ahead somehow. The schooling of our society into the rat race on steroids, and away from a contemplative life - away from stopping to smell the roses (or to even know the names of flowers) - is part of what got us here, and contributed to our compliance.
Of course, coerced compliance was fueled by telling employees if you don't take this vaccine you will be fired, and you won't likely be able to get a job anywhere else (because other employers also require the jab) and you won't be able to access your Employment Assistance benefits that you've paid into with your own $$$ for years. Denying citizens their Charter rights has taken us to a new place on the edge of tyranny.
I wonder what chroniclers of the "fall of Rome", or the lead up to the French Revolution did to kick back? Our moment in history - in Canada and across Western democracies - is distinct. But the foundations continue to shake. I want to spend more time with the people who are noticing the tremors.
Lovely note, Ray. Rate race on steroids is a great phrase. I am dialing back some of the crazy and looking at some of life's small gifts. It is hard to find a balance but we try.
Hi Ray, I'm so glad you were able to listen. You tap into so many of our all-too-human imperfections that culminated in the perfect storm of perfectionism begun 4 years ago. I'm reminded that I promised you a book. It will go in the mail this week! (I'm sorry about the delay.) One thing I write about in the book is how the mandates combed through our institutions and professions, weeding out the bravest and most likely to resist. I fear what will happen when there are fewer natural resisters next time around. Many of us are now working from the outside. Maybe we are more powerful there. Maybe our freedom will allow us to speak more truth, or to speak it louder. This is why public conversations (like the one Trish and I had, and also this conversation thread) are so important; they keep an anti-narrative story echoing in the background. Eventually, that echo can become voice of its own, a voice that can rival the dominant narrative. But we need more to speak, and to keep doing so. Thank you for doing your part!
Thanks Julie. There were so many moments in the conversation you and Trish had that stood out. This includes your remarks on the post-modernist vacuum where "nothing matters," and simultaneously, there is "no room for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of curiosity..." And that "our gut, our instinct can be dangerous...to mold it, guide it." And your firsthand experience of giving birth in a hospital in Canada in April 2020, one month into the 'pandemic,' what you were noticing - I found this all very compelling. And references to the Tukesgee experiment, doctors and nurses watching African-American men dying of syphilis. AND Hannah Arendt's observations of Adolf Eichmann. That professional people can be trained to do the opposite of what they are meant to do. It was a very rich mix throughout the interview.
If I hadn't left my institutional job back in the late 90s, I wouldn't have cut an independent path as a self-employed writing workshop instructor/author. I might have ended up being a Christian Education Director in a panic-stricken congregation in 2020 surrounded by groupthink. Instead, being self-employed for over two decades by 2020, despite its risks, being my own boss meant no one could fire me during the 'pandemic' for my public expressions of dissent (on the alternative media).
I look forward to the signed copy of your book! Thanks for your encouragement.
As well, all of us choosing to listen to interviews like this one are spending hours away from the mainstream media. It is time well spent, given the bald betrayal of our Canadian institutions of late.
Trish, thank you for another great interview. You touched on so many important issues:
Julie said she feels even more distant from people who went along with the narrative and still have not woken up to the “truth”. I feel the same way. You said that how people experienced Covid was largely determined my what news media they relied on.
I think this is how 70 percent of the people continue to be in the dark. The legacy media gaslights, lies or simply doesn’t cover anything that contradicts the narrative.
What you often don’t ask or address is the question who or what is controlling/ orchestrating the narrative. The “media” is not independent and is simply a propaganda brainwashing tool. We saw the media’s power to manipulate during Covid. Nothing has changed. It’s only worse now. Media didn’t make mistakes. They lied on purpose.
Also, love your idea on doing more podcast on how individuals weathered Covid and continue to feel it’s effects.
Brilliant work. Love Julie. I want to get her book. She’s educated but thank god, still has the Ability to think critically. Can’t say enough positive things about her work.
She is a gift. A quiet, humble numan who just keeps doing the next right thing. There is a lot of sound and fury in the movement - necessary I suppose -- but her thoughtful empathy is perhaps most important of all.
Hi DV, thanks for your comment. You are incredibly generous and I appreciate it more than you can know. I wouldn't change how I responded the last few years for a minute but I can tell you that it shakes and breaks your world in ways that are hard to explain. Understanding and support means the world.
Also, I think a lot of people are asking, and answering, the question about who is controlling the narrative, actually. Thank goodness! I agree that the media's deception is controlled and coordinated, not accidental or natural. But my own focus is on why we were so willing to comply, why we didn't ask more questions, what is weak or broken in us that didn't help us to stand up for ourselves and protect those we care about. Answering that question took me deep into the annals of history and moral psychology, and I'm sure it is something I will be trying to understand for years to come. But I believe we need to understand it if we are to have a chance of escaping this controller/controlled cycle.
Julie,
Thank you for your detailed response. I very much value and appreciate your focus. And agree entirely that for many like us, it’s baffling why and how so many people just went along with the craziness. As Trish said and you as well, you don’t need to be a scientist in immunology to understand that a so called new vaccine can’t be fully tested in 9 months. Moreover the draconian mandates should have roused more widespread opposition. Again thank you for your excellent book and research. I hope your voice is heard around the world by many.
The control of the media is such a huge problem I think. Two of my family members here in Canada were not aware of RFK junior running for president in the US this year. It’s like we are of the world and they are of the fake world. Or some have turned off the TV, but do not get any news at all anymore and just trust the system they’re in.
I turned off the TV long ago but not for that reason. There's a deep and sustaining comfort to tribalism. To know that you won't be left out of the tent for the lions to eat at night, that you won't be left to forage on your own, that there will be people to care for you when you break a limb or succumb to illness. You might be deceived and controlled, but you don't need to bear responsibility for all aspects of your life. And responsibility is burdensome if you don't see the payoff.
What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care.
-credit to Tom Korski while talking with Roy Green
Ha! Exactly.
Here is the Amazon link to her book.
https://www.amazon.ca/Last-Innocent-Moment-Julie-Ponesse/dp/1630692581