Our generation voted for greater taxation, increasing debt, more money for Carney's Brookfield, longer lineups at food banks, home equity taxes all to "fight Trump".
Liberal voters are brainwashed and stupid.
They voted selfishly, not thinking at all about their kids and grand kids. They voted out of spite against the Freedom Convoy. They voted against their fellow Canadians who didn't support vaccine mandates.
Liberal boomers are a generation of terrified old men and women. What happened to "standing up to the man"? Now they cringe in fear in their basements, in their cars wearing masks, screaming "Elbows Up" in fits of TDS. Won't they be surprised when they realize Trump is still there and Carney caves to him.
I don't know how I'm even going to be able to talk to people I know voted Liberal. It's not just a different opinion, it's a knife in my heart.
Trish, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Listening to you got me through many bad days during covid, we'll have to stick together even more now. Bless you.
Well said. Same here. Fear, not love, conquers all, as we learned through covid.
People around me all complain about the carbon tax, the woke agenda, the cost of everything, and almost all voted for more of the same. It's truly unbelievable.
You can't fix stupid is also a common expression here. So true.
It is shocking!! My whole purpose in life is to try to make life liveable for my kids, grandkids and future generations. How people don't see that more liberal government is going to decimate that is beyond me!
Those who refused the jab were deemed selfish. Self preservation is an instinct we need, but as Trish said recently, those of middle age or more now see their property value soar to a million and think everything's working as it should. Stepping over homeless people on their way to work is fine because they are winning and someone has to lose. Selfishness on steroids is narcissism. That's the new normal imho.
Even if we'd gotten a Conservative majority the hate & fear would drive the left to impeding every last initiative. Conservatives in the US got their preferred candidate & look at the unholy maelstrom of literal destruction being waged. Trump will ultimately fail b/c he can't change the hearts & minds of the left.
The same thing is happening in every Western country. The left/globalists launched this with 'multuculturalism' a generation ago. What that did was remove any patriotic identification with our homelands. So in Europe a rape & pillage fest is unfolding now, & governments are existentially unprepared to do what's necessary. So it will continue. We've lost our patriotism, our commitment to capitalist employment of capital, our Christian values. Every Western nation is at war with itself.
Through the ancient policy of Divide and Rule ('Divide et Impera') the reign of Caligula (Trudeau) metastasized throughout Rome. Nero (Carney) has come to fiddle while a totally divided and terrorised 'Rome' burns.
Liberal boomers started off fighting 'the man'. Free speech was important as well as rights and freedoms. Then, as it is with all people and all organizations, they became rich and comfortable, and suddenly switched to wanting to keep any advantages they had in life, even if it meant losing freedoms and such. They are self absorbed, and don't really stand for anything, never really did stand for anything, just themselves. Most of us are like that though. Only a few care to stick their heads out and make life better for all. Older right wing people are the same in their own way. Maybe 10% of the population is oriented to reality properly, because they feel it's right, even if it's hard. Be proud you are one of them. And 10% is enough. This election doesn't mean much. The worldwide shift has taken place, away from the radical left, and it has here too. Carney can't get away with what Liberals used to in the last 15 years.
They’ve been captured and brainwashed by the media as well as Liberal lies which the media tolerated. Try to understand and be generous. Many have been made insanely afraid of Trump.
The results of this flip, owing primarily to the selling of DTS, will result in a west versus east divide that will be very hard to overcome. So similar to the American flip of Democratic historical values and the resulting broken country.
Thank you, Trish ! The gratitude I feel in finally having a Conservative MP, is greatly diminished by the knowledge that Pierre lost his seat and what hay the talking heads are making of that.
Classic human behavior. The elder generation has their houses with incredible equity in them, and aren't in need of income to build a life anymore, so they vote for the status quo.
That, and gaining all their knowledge by reading CBC headlines.
What an embarrassment. Get out if you can; things are going to get tough.
I feel the very same as U do. I am devastated and I am a boomer that can’t even fight to change it. I live in Alberta and there is really a lot of talk now about separating and having a referendum. Thankfully, we have a very good premier and she will fight the federal government as best as she can.
I’m a boomer too and you just echoed my sentiments exactly. I’m a lone wolf in a pack of rabidly deranged non critical thinkers who I have called friends for almost 40 years. I was just starting to think that maybe we could reach some common ground and then Carney and Trump came along and the insanity of Covidian thinking just came right back with a vengeance. I feel like I cannot trust them and wonder if there is anything left to salvage at this point.
I know exactly how you feel. My husband wants nothing to do with any of his old friends whom he describes as frightened old men. Just look at Neil Young! What a complete sellout coward. We need to find a new way to identify ourselves. Used to be you could trust cars with Canadian flags, not anymore. Either way, hang in there. You aren’t alone.
Liberal Canadians voted to be on the receiving end of blatant corruption. So I guess we can expect more of that too. But bigger. Because checks & balances and accountability are so 2014.
What a colorful world of illusions you seem to live in, and yet such a fearful and cowardly one. Worry less about other people, "Liberals", "Boomers", the vaccinated, because they surely don't waste any time on you 🤷♂️
I'm not "terrified" of viruses or Trump, who probably won't even last a full term. Irrelevant even if he does, he's just another US stooge on the stage as have been all before him. That he is less polished and more rapey hardly seems to matter in the grand Shane of things. 🤷♂️ The turn away from USA was long overdue, and I almost welcome Trump as the catalyst to make it happen.
Carney’s turning us to China which is ridiculous when we share a land mass with the US. According to journalist Sam Cooper, from The Bureau, who has contacts with Canadian and US security agencies, China is producing fentanyl in North America in order to weaken our countries. I’m surprised that Carney wants to do business with them.
The policies continue and that means so does the rapid deterioration of people’s quality of life and THAT means another election will come sooner rather than later
Why am I the problem. Like you I have considered a residence in another country and have purchased to escape the insanity. Problem is, I did it when PP had a 25% lead. Now I’m reading that other people on this forum are thinking they are going to leave, which I completely get.
I have friends who moved there and have moved back. During the scamdemic, they had designated times they could go outside for a walk on the beach. It may be cheaper but I'm not sure it's any better.
If you want to live beyond your death, Russia is the right choice. If you are looking for a place to croak comfortably, it is probably Florida. I don't know about Arizona.
Hungary FYI is an amazing country and the gov. doesn't believe in forced vaccinations. They are conservative which means 'common sense'. Their cost of living is also much better than Canada and quality of life. And they don't open their borders to every country regardless how derelict it is. Unlike Canada.
Russia believe it or not, is a free-er country than Canada. They also don't believe in forced vaxx and have an asylum program that protects you from your own gov persecution, IE a country like Canada. The USA is also more free than Canada and they have what's called 'rights' something that Canada doesn't grant their citizens. Why you ask...the Canada Gov has the power to override the 'charter of rights and freedoms'. That power makes YOUR RIGHTS non existent. At least, the USA has what's called a Constitution which is very difficult for the Gov to override. Ever. Unlike Canada Gov.
Ecuador is very nice. And there’s a large Canadian and American population there. It’s super inexpensive and they have an amazing healthcare system there. I know two couples who’ve lived there for several years.
I woke up at 2am to see who won. I was shocked to find out that the majority voted for the Liberals. As you have said, we are living in days of deception. But our hope has not changed if we belong to Jesus Christ. Our faith has been strengthened. God may allow tyrants to rule us for a season. But as Jesus himself said, “In this world you will have trouble. But take heart, I have overcome the world!”
10 "Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand."
He sets up kings and takes them down again. I keep thinking about how God used a pagan king, Nebuchadnezzar, to punish Israel for turning their backs on Him. 70 years in Babylonian captivity - and there were believers there also - like Daniel and his friends, and the prophet Ezekiel. Is there a lesson there for Canada??
I really didn’t want to believe the polls. I was so sure the conservatives were going to win with all of the enthusiastic rallies around the country and I watched them all. I feel so terribly bad for Pierre and all of the good MPs that lost their seats. They all worked so very hard. What a devastating day for Canada and it’s people.
If it was only stupidity that would be bad enough.
But this Election, following 10 yrs of scandal, corruption, crime, poverty,child mutilation/gender ideology indoctrination,and incompetence was far more than a battle between Left and Right. This election was a battle between Good and Evil.
And we now know on what side of that line each of our family members, neighbors, colleagues and friends stand.
How does one ever again engage with those you now know to be cruel, heartless and Evil?
In my opinion you do not have much of an argument. All you could do was heckle me about spelling, it's telling. My point was, for one, why would you vote for a party that wishes to DOUBLE our nation's debt in 4 years....that is monumentally stupid! Btw, I'm not a fan of any politician or political party. None of them truly have the peoples interests at heart, which actually is their job. I only voted conservative because the Liberals need to go. You have obviously forgotten already what the liberals have done to this once beautiful nation in the past ten years of rule.
Actually, it was a good "buy". For China. Liberals sold out Canada to China long before Trump wanted to "own" it. I hope you're as fluent in Mandarin as Carney is because you'll soon need it.
Is pettiness typically Liberal? Interesting that you're worried about spelling and not the social and economic deterioration of the country. But I suppose you assume that the guy who helped get us into this mess is now going to clean it up? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that's what m kelly was referring to as 'stupid'. That and Liberals actually falling for the faux threat of Trump. Wow. Just wow. News flash: Carney took every REAL threat to Canada, which he helped create, and turned it into a Trump threat. And you fell for it. If you can't see that then perhaps you are the one who needs stuff spelled out for ya.
How do you figure Carney got us into this mess, when it's been PP who was sucking up 300K a year of your money to eat apples and bemoan the loss of plastic straws? He's had 20 years to apply for the job, and he blew it. No more 300k salary, no more staffs no more free house, no JOB. Looks good on him, and a narrow escape for Canada. You gonna whine about it for four years?
Are you going to tell me that no Liberal, nor any other, MPs collect a salary? Just PP does? What are you even talking about? Sounds like you've been hypnotized by CBC. You might want to examine that.
But ok, I'll play ball here. You're telling me that PP has cost Canadians 300K/year for 20 years. Math says that's 6M over 20 years. Please tell me how that compares to the utter wastage of 1.29 Billion (with a B) dollars flushed down the CBC propaganda machine toilets in 1 year...to name only a single economic abomination of your delusional Liberal party. Looks like it's working pretty well on you though. Please do tell me some more super-intelligent information you've gleaned from this right-speak institution.
As economic advisor to former PM Trudeau, Carney played his part.
Oooh, have I struck a nerve? I'd say it is your CBC fetish/fixation that is troubling beyond measure. But agree to disagree. It would be completely futile to talk about the ingredients of the Kool-Aid with someone who happily slurps it up. But I will hazard a correction here: CBC promotes 'certain' Canadian stories. And I think we all know which ones it promotes. Churning Liberal propaganda out like a firehose. Ah, but there I go! Getting all fixated. Haha! You are funny. :D
So if a billion is measly and peanuts, then what is 300K? Looks like that super-intelligent info is getting you nowhere. Surprise, surprise.
You got nothing, dude. Go find some friends. If that is even possible.
Carney was also Harper's advisor during the 2008 financial crisis. Does that disqualify him? You trust PP, who never held a job in his life? What was PP back in 2008, Day's dog walker? Gtfoh 🤣
You’re so brain dead it’s pathetic. Carney has been advising Trudeau and Freeland for the last 5 years, ruining Canada. The guy is a net zero freak who’s worse than Trudy
I’m not sure if you noticed, but Jan is a different person from the poster to which you responded. Also, the term “goodbye” actually descends from the expression “May God buy you!” It merely became syncopated. So this actually makes quite a nice pun. Canada just sold itself out to the globalists and bankers. Good “buy” indeed!
Perhaps it hasn’t yet occurred to you that what you believe can only be what is the present content of your brain. As a part of the masses you are subject to information which is intended to manipulate you! Mass formation psychosis is promulgated by the intentionally deceptive messaging you are fed in the media.
Did you know media in Canada like say the National Post is owned by a U.S. corporation? Did you know the federal government subsidizes the newspapers you read? Did you know Thompson Reuters is a giant gather of information from around the globe which is pre-digested for your consumption, i.e. that it is edited and slanted — albeit subtly — to have you believe things which are not in fact accurate. Did you know the family which owns Thompson Routers is based in the U.S. They own the Globe and Mail!
The Thompson family are nominally Canadians but live in the United States.
The federal government in Ottawa has permitted foreign corporations to control the programming you watch, read and hear on the radio.
Mark Carney was the governor of the Bank of Canada and of the United Kingdom. Did you know that every central bank in the West is a shareholder in the Bank for International Settlements based in Switzerland? I put the relationship simply on purpose. In fact the relationship is more complicated and much worse than just a shareholder. But now you have a hint as to what to do to begin to educate yourself. Google Bank For International Settlements.
The Bank for International Settlements was Mark Carney’s boss when he was the governor of the Bank of Canada and of the United Kingdom.
Now that he is Prime Minister he is beholden to— as we all are — to the entity which controls the Bank for International Settlements.
These people do not have you interests or mine in mind or anyone who lives in Canada.
These are the people who instructed Donald Trump to alarm Canadians that he was going to turn Canada into the 51st state.
Something you and most people do not understand: Canada is a satrapy of the U.S.
But it’s worse than you can imagine. The U.S. is a satrapy of the people who run the Bank for International Settlements. As is Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and more than a few others.
Every country in the West must use the U.S. to transact international business. The U.S. dollar is a product of the Federal Reserve Bank located in the U.S. But the paper currency printed in the U.S. is hardly a true picture of the activities of the Federal Reserve. The fact is rather peculiar and not easy to understand. But the fact is the money supply is a digital form of keeping track of loans. When one corporation say a U.S. corporation buys another corporation — say a Canadian resource company. There is no money changing hands. What changes is a bank switches the lean on the asset from one corporation to another. It is the interest on the debt the new ‘owners’ of the corporation pay the bank which the bank is owed. Same entity, same income stream, same asset — but the purchasing corporation, in essence, remortgages the debt on the old enterprise. If the corporation is domiciled in Canada but is owned by an international corporation and financed by a bank domiciled in say Great Britain the interest payments go the bank in Great Britain. The profits though go to the shareholders of the International Corporation. Neither the interest income or the profits stay in Canada.
The corporation may pay certain taxes. But the wage earners, pay a vast amount of the taxes which are of course deducted from their wages before they see a dime. Corporations pay property taxes which they most certainly manage to deduct a good amount of from their balance sheet.
And in many cases the Government subsidizes the corporation with grants of one kind or another.
When you voted for Mark Carney — if you did — you voted for the guy who facilitates the Global Corporate policies you are subjected to support. Same as Trudeau facilitated.
Mark Carney will facilitated the further looting of Canadas wealth.
The stuff in the ground, your brains and competencies, the countries know how, your taxes etc. are all assets the international corporations, and Globalist bankers appropriate with the voters permission of course.
Pierre Poilievre is a nationalist which means to the best of his ability he would have tried to keep some of the wealth Canadians’ produce in their pockets. Carney will be doing the opposite.
But he is a clever manipulator of the facts; watch and see. But at least now you may actually see just how clever Mark Carney is!
"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863
So typically communist. Caring more about grammar mistakes than reflecting and commenting on the substance. Your smug narcissism will be your downfall.
The last nine, NINE YEARS of the scandals, the secrets, the arrogance, the ROGUE NESS, the lack of accountability- the $9000/night hotel rooms, ArriveCAN going from <$100G to EIGHTY MILLION- no recovery of funds.
I can’t go through it again- watching the conservatives work very hard, but just smashing their heads against the wall in Parliament.
This result is VERY emboldening to the Global initiatives that are happening right now.
I'm so with you Karen. How about we start a petition at change.org. writing letters to the conservatives to complain is the only way I know how. Short of protests and rallies but I'm not that type of girl who knows maybe I am. I'm crying with you
I felt bad when I awoke, because I went to bed before the real coverage started, because I didn't think my nerves could take it. So I woke up today, not surprised but no completely demoralized. Because it was a minority government. But then at 5:30 or so to learn that Poilievre had lost his seat that kind of did it for me. Say what you want, when you look at the rallies, you know he was giving people hope. Watching him talk to people one on one, he was the performance artist that Trudeau that feigned compassion when he had none, because he's a narcissist and a socio-path, of which there is no doubt. Poilievre's sincerity was genuine, I believe. What is disturbing about his seat lost is that 1. It will be demoralizing for many who had put their hopes in him. 2. I am not sure what those 90 extra names on his ballot did, but it certainly raises suspicions about the vote there. 3. It will leave the Conservative Party in disarray as they try to figure out next steps while Carney is just getting ready start implementing his agenda and likely making a deal with the Bloc, who are if nothing else opportunists, to ensure he has the votes to do it. So it's not just bad, its very bad. We have had three Conservative leaders in the past ten years... Andrew Sheer couldn't pull it off, because he was too Christian and thought that by being nice to the media vipers who hate Conservatives they would at least be fair, and they weren't. 2. O'Toole, turned out to be a sellout, a very red Tory and a coward when it came to the Freedom Convoy, he was so bad his own party turfed him as leader. 3. Poilievre... who was strong, who was committed and seemed to really inspire people..... and refused to take shit from the media vipers that tried to trip him up. He was the first real threat to the Liberals in ten years and somehow he lost his seat in a riding that he had secured for 20 years... just because of the Freedom Convoy? Something stinks here. I just wonder how much Ford and company had to do with this. Because of course, this now brings into question a possible Conservative leadership race... and wasn't Dougie just waiting for that.
But then we know just how corrupt Canada has become. Infiltrated by China, ruled by WEF instalments first Trudeau, Freeland and now Carney. Suffice it to say I am very depressed by it all. Not sure what our next steps will be but my husband and I have discussed leaving the country to live out our retirement in perhaps Barbados where it is relatively easy to stay as a retiree or perhaps move to Alberta. I know you say forgive, but in my neighbourhood I am surrounded by Liberals who put Carney in office yesterday, and I am pretty short on forgiveness right now.
I'm retired and wish I could move out, but I'm not a financially set. Which is my FEAR of Carney because he's made dubious remarks about out pensions and that's a very SERIOUS concern one the 'boomer' Liberal voters DIDNT THINK THROUGH!
Liberals that vote don’t think anything through. The Liberals that run election campaigns do and on top of that have no conscience, no scruples, no ethics so that helps a lot… when honesty and integrity are at the bottom of their list of qualities you need to work on a Liberal campaign.
True! No scruples ethics or common decency. Example: Liberal candidate here on Vancouver Island joked about homeless people using Liberal signs as shelter material. Another class act.
I'm with you all the way. I can't leave but I am surrounded by a conservative stronghold in my riding. Mark Strahl won by over 10,000 votes. I will be contacting him to see how I can fight back and support the conservatives. We the People need to let them know Pierre is the right man for the job. I am heartbroken for him, Ana and his family. This was his dream
Will we ever see a truly conservative party again, with conservative values? Do we even know what true conservative values are anymore?
Instead, we view CPC leaders (advised by backroom boyz ‘n girlz) repeatedly seeking to straddle the mushy middle, lest the lib-lefty MotherCorp + CTV + Global dump (I was thinking of another word) all over them for every policy that comes out of their mouths. Of course the paid-off, robot M-Corp will always and everywhere ridicule every CPC statement, so, if that is the case, why not be true to conservatism and be Corp-damned for the conservo-truths we supposedly believe. And, while we are at it, we might even throw in a few (gasp!) so-Con tenets.
As Trish so wisely reminds us: LIVE NOT BY LIES. May it be suggested that the Libs and Dips and Bloc do not compromise. They are the Popeye parties: “I y’am what I y’am.” No hypocrisy about stating what they believe in (albeit with the Liberals wrapped in perennial lib tricksies up their sleevesies). Can we at least find the integrity to be “conservative” and not the nice middle-mush party we think MotherCorp will like and applaud - snort, guffaw?
I could not bear watching returns last night. I respect my BP too much. Headphones and a Tucker interview while dh watched (alas, I selected Catherine Austin Fitts!) Dh’s body language out of the corner of my eye told me everything. Crushed warrior today. Crushed because too many lazy Canucks drank the koolaid of MotherCorp, temporary cheap gas, and the promise of an “economist” running our nation.
Happy warrior? Give me a few days. Thanks, Trish, for talking us off ledges.
I am glad to be living in Alberta and Danielle Smith is an iron woman. She will fight Carney if she has to. There are so many crazy places in the world . We are retired so we have to think about healthcare, etc. I guess we just stay here for the moment and maybe we will have to fight for separation if it gets to bad. For now, I think Alberta is the best province to be in and we still have some reasonably priced homes, etc..
The outcome is not surprising. You could tell that Canadians had lost their way when they turned against the truckers convoy. The majority didn’t even understand the point. After the lost Liberal decade, if you don’t see the need for a total change of direction i’m afraid Canada is not coming back.
History does not run backwards. Those who denigrated the truckers are ignorant of the values as written in Canadas Charter of Human Rights as passed in the Canadian parliament in 1960. Giving our rights and freedoms away was foolish — allowing the Liberal party to trample them cannot therefore be relied on to protect the ignorant when they need them. And it only follows that they will one day turn to their Charter rights or their children will — and tragically they will not remember that they voted them away.
The charter protects Canadians’ their right to assemble. The Charter protects our freedom to speak. Trudeau abrogated those rights. It is almost impossible to acknowledge how easily the voting public threw their rights away when they failed to recognize the moment in the crunch when those rights were being trashed. I never imagined I would be witness to such a thing in Canada,
May I suggest they read Anne Applebaum’s books. But especially Iron Curtain, The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1945-1954.
It ought to chill the ones who read it, to the bone. Those who tyrannized — never sleep — ever! Those who voted Liberal ought to have taken to the streets when Trudeau lied and connived and plotted and destroyed Canadian democracy every single day he was Prime Minister. Ignorance is bliss until discovering you sold your soul for a pittance.
Not so long ago in Russia thousands of declared Communists were killed in a purge by Joseph Stalin. They imagined he was a Communist. Not so, he was a Nationalist. He understood that the dyed in the wool Communists were internationalists i.e. globalist international bankers! They were not self-identifying as Globalists. But he understood as Putin does that the Globalists i.e. the internationalists wanted to bring Russia under the thumb of the ‘real’ internationalists. Call them fiat money promulgators.
This guy Mark Carney is a fiat money banker. Putin in his interview with Tucker Carlson explained to him Russias’ experience with the Globalists. He does not intend to sell his people down the river. He related Russia history to Carlson. Of course Putin’s message was for the Globalist bankers. Mark Carney is a Globalist. Canada is for sale! Not so Russia. Russians learned the hard way.
Mark Carney like Justin Trudeau like Paul Martin like Brian Mulroney like Jean Chrétien like Pierre Trudeau like Mike Pearson — all of them sell outs.
Not so, the last nationalist Prime Minister — John Diefenbaker — the one who gifted Canadians their Charter. Everyone ought to read it. Everyone who voted Liberal and read the Charter would be embarrassed. One could only hope!
It's far more important to stay and speak up in Canada against Israeli apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide. Canada has a legal obligation as a member of the ICJ to act to stop Israel's actions in Gaza. You either believe in the "rule of law" and the "western, rules-based international order", or you do not, but the law is clear in it's judgements against Israel since 1967.
My family came to the new world in 1634 and I don’t plan on leaving anytime soon. We have fought in wars for our freedom and worked the land and earned our place here.
Stage 4 normalization reinforcement with even heavier censorship. The subverted will be emboldend to shame and smear all who oppose with the usual epithets.
They drank the kool-aid Irene, in many forms. Observe people when you're out in public, you might notice the short attention spans, staring at grocery products seemingly confused, leaving carts in the ailes and walking to the other end etc. I'm taking notes.
I can't even talk to my friends about this. My two best friends voted liberal. One because Carney bought a submarine, and the other one because her EI rates are going to go up. I was dumbfounded. So uninformed and misinformed
I agree. I have no idea who to trust. How will I be able to speak freely without some "informant" telling on me. The potential for civil war is very real in my opinion.
Canadians voted for Canada to continue to be a satrapy of the U.S. I was shocked when I first saw the U.S. embassy. It is a fortress.
Trumps globalist banker handlers instructed him to alarm Canadians. Canadians voted for 50 years to sell out to U.S. corporate interests. Does anyone reading this imagine China would allow United States corporation to own China Daily or any Chinese newspaper or media property?
Canadas media properties are owned and controlled by either Canadian giants like Rogers or American Corporations. It’s laughable that Canadian tax payers subsidize newspaper properties owned by U.S. corporations.
If only they (we all) knew, but "they" don't want to. The free trade agreements of the late 80s signed off on so much of our national sovereignty we became the most-sued nation on earth as American corporate interests claimed their right to over-ride all our protective regulations. Health Canada became a rubber stamp for the FDA, for one thing, and we see how that's turning out...
The elbows up signalling really is a chicken dance with Carney as the rooster. As he says, he knows the way the world works.
Going to take solace in a little road trip and some nature. Here’s to nature who is far more powerful than any human, political or otherwise. Cheers to the sun.
That sounds like a wonderful idea! I'm in the beautiful Fraser Valley. I was thinking more of a hardcore exercise workout! It's rainy today and it seems fitting. That said, I'm falling off the grid for a week. I can't talk to my friends and some of my family members. I do however have an appointment with my psychologist today and somehow the topic has changed! Election grief
Devastating that Canadians seemed to have amnesia, I mean the past 10 years of scandals, ethic breaches, crime rate, housing shortages, carbon tax robbery, etc.
The Liberals pulled off the win by focusing on a Non-issue and using Trudeau's One Play, from the playbook.
Joel Lightbound exposed it, Wedge, Divide, Stigmatize, and Coat it in FEAR.
Trump, his joke (51st State) is a blip on the radar, the last TEN years is what the election was about!
Carney took Pierre's best portions of his Campaign (plagiarized) and attempted to present it as his own and outright lies about the Conservatives: that they would challenge Women's Rights (abortion), and that Pierre will sell us out to the USA.
Of course it’s more appealing. I would say the election was about the last 20 years. Harper was replaced for a reason. Be careful of the choices. Do a full read and comprehend of the separation process. It will be difficult to do.
The easiest path forward knowing how you feel it to move to the States. I’ll post what I see as the hurdles to AB separation if…
100% the Separation Process won't happen overnight, I see it taking years.
TO BE CLEAR -- I will NEVER move to the USA, I have Zero interest in becoming the 51st or being Annexed into the country.
First Hurtle would be the Indigenous People, they have to be informed and involved from the get go, they literally "own" Canada, for lack of a better explanation.
A relative out West (Alberta) sent me some info a couple of weeks ago, when I find it, I will share with you here Paul.
Wow Dee. If you pay into Canada pension you can claim your pension anywhere in the world. If you are not a member and let’s say are a member of the AB pension plan you claim from them. OAS is not a pension. Not every Canadian gets OAS. If you are not Canadian you don’t get it. Please tell me you are not a financial advisor at Langford Financial.
Canada is already the 51st state. Canada is a satrapy of the U.S. They own Canada but you cannot vote for your President — Canadians are stuck with Prime Ministers who work for or have worked for U.S. corporations. We’d be better off with States rights rather than French Canadians Rights. Quebecers just voted for a lever to demand more stuff for Quebec.
K9. How about moving. A number of posters are looking for a new country. Sounds like the US may be the spot. Real estate prices are dropping like a stone in Florida and Arizona. Nice climate.
That would be a hard no. I didn't say I Believe it was more appealing, as in to me personally. It was intended to convey just how shitty this LYING Liberal win is. Not looking forward to the attempt to own us and we own nothing.
I don't even own a Passport, however, IF we didn't have elders to take care of, and we are in our 60's, if Provinces were to separate, that "might" be an option. But not until our responsibilities here in ON are fulfilled.
Apologies my comment wasn't clearer, it was before coffee.
Okay, next question if you are up to it? Just trying to understand. So, if a Canadian province were to separate you would move there? No CP, no OAS and diminished health care - do you think that you would be okay with that. What provinces do you think would separate?
Prior to the Election, there were a lot of "rumours" from Manitoba and Westward. So for the sake of discussion...
The last UPS and downs of the Markets, did hurt some people regarding their investments and depending on risk management. I am also sure, if a Province did separate, they are going to request the portion of OAS, in some sort of a package. I could never imagine a situation where they would say; we're outa here and take nothing from what they've given/entitled to? Sign of a poorly led separation.
Healthcare, 1970's it began with an axe here and there by Provinces. Remember Ford campaigned to fix what Dalton (Lib) took huge chunks and his replacement caused, it was labelled "Hallway Medicine.
Nope, he did more damage and tossed bandages, he allowed, more recently, nurses, staff, etc. to be fired, lose pension, etc. for exercising their right to say No.
Over 9 hrs to get stitches on my left index finger at the local hospital. That's not unique, it's become the norm. So I would welcome change, growth, freedom to say no, IF another Province did the steps, planning, and funding, also through separation negotiation.
I hear you. Lost a lot of money on investments personally but know that public pensions including CCP are heavily invested in the NY stock exchange and have taken a bath. Provinces don’t typically manage their budgets very well. Alberta has been abysmal. One of Canada’s problem is our lack of size relative to other industrialized nations. A province with 3 million would find it very expensive to fund the safety net but maybe that is a good thing. Private insurance would definitely be available, if you can afford it. Pension money held provincially would probably be invested within the province. High risk proposition though.
We haven't looked or asked our advisor at the moment.
I have family that live out West and have told me of the lack of population, after growing up in Ontario.
I was pondering this discussion while doing dinner prep, retired and have to stay busy lol!
There is another beast... Our Canadian Constitution and Charter. If one opts out of Canada, can they adopt with word revisions? (Rhetorical for a point lol!)
I would then say, let's look at Quebec, whom under Trudeau was almost Carte Blanche but, why?
Was it the Threat to really leave Canada? We heard Legault talk about how Quebec governs itself differently, like in the language and the ongoing fight with "religious symbols" which I get - it's more than the wearing of a cross. And who he doesn't want in Quebec because they won't or can't learn the language (also from the debate).
Quebec is more about control and isolation than a free province, but they tend to hold their own in the big picture against the Feds.
It's a huge discussion and separation of any province wouldn't happen over night, the infrastructure that exists has had the last 200 years (ballpark) building.
My ancestors came from Wicklow Ireland in 1812 to 1815, sponsored/brought over by Colonel Thomas Talbot.
Even back then they made people work the land and live in the community for a year before they could buy land.
CPP and OAS follow you wherever you go, even out of country
From Langford Financial Inc.
"Because CPP is a "member-contributed plan" it will always be yours, regardless of where you live in the world. If you paid in at least 1 CPP contribution, you are entitled to a benefit.
If you live in Canada for at least 40 years between the ages of 18-65 you qualify for a full pension from OAS. If you live here for less than 40 years but more than 10 years you are entitled to at least 25% of the full pension. For every year above 10 years, you will get 1/40th of the full amount.
If you decide to leave Canada to live elsewhere in the world your eligibility to receive the OAS pension is based on having lived in Canada for at least 20 years. If you lived in Canada for less than 20 years then you will receive your pension cheque for 6 months after you have left and then it will terminate."
I feel humiliated once again -- it's the same feeling I had when "show your papers" became the ticket to participate in daily life and when I was sick to my stomach worried the government would freeze my bank account. The irony is that I want to lock myself down voluntarily so as not to have to share space with the Canadians who have done this to us, because we all know it's the same cadre of Covid tyrants.
I'll survive -- I've got a Plan B -- but the Canada I grew up in is well and truly gone.
For us, Plan B was getting permanent residency in Mexico and buying a home there. We also have gold and silver in a vault outside of Canada and will be opening a bank account in Mexico next time we're there in case we need or want to move money out of Canada quickly.
For now, our plan is to live part-time in Canada and Mexico because we have young adult children here and my mom who is 83. The residency allows us to leave Canada permanently but our personal and financial entanglements make it difficult right now. The Plan B helps me sleep better at night! I have helped others get their residency in Mexico and urge Canadians who have the means to secure another residency to give it strong consideration.
I just got back from Mexico. The Trump/US thing is not very popular down there. May have to tone down the anti Canada, MAGA thing. They love Canada, Canadians and anybody that stands up to America.
I hear you. Our town in Mexico is full of Americans who have "escaped" Trump so we try to stay away from discussions of politics. However, I have also met some Canadians who are there for the same reasons I am. People are there to escape something, we just don't fear the same things!
Yes, if you become a temporary or permanent resident you can open a bank account. While there are some places that require you to buy real estate in order to get residence, Mexico does not require it.
There are a few different residency options, but most get their residency based on proof of means. You need to demonstrate you've had a certain amount of money in your bank/investment account for 12 months or a certain stream of monthly income that is guaranteed. The amounts keep changing and they can be different from consulate to consulate. For temporary residency the amount is lower. After renewing temporary residency three times, you can convert it to permanent residency without having to show any further proof of means. Even the yearly renewals don't require anything further.
You apply for residency from Canada, have an appointment at a Mexican consulate here and, if approved, you have 6 months to go to Mexico to get your residency card.
Yup! If you think the entirety of Mexico is dangerous and run by the cartels you clearly don't know anything about Mexico. There are dangerous areas, just like there are in Canada. I feel much safer in my town in Mexico that I feel when I'm in Toronto. To each his/her own -- if you don't like Mexico try Panama, Uruguay, etc. It's a big world and there are alternatives to Canada.
No different than here in "Chinada", but I guess you have been in a coma for the past ten years and missed all the drug trafficking and gang wars that have been happening.
Trish I'm so sorry............ I know how hard you fought to prevent this. Even with "our win" in the USA, I'm still disappointed, now Trump is threatening to attack Iran because of a non existent nuclear warhead program and yet allows Israel to continue on escalating the possibility of nuclear war. And this after being the "non war President". Such bullshit. This unmitigated support for Israel is beyond my comprehension. All these politicians are flawed and we must begin to look to each other and our local governments to create something new. Be a happy warrior and love your life and appreciate every thing around you all day long. It's the best medicine. And know that the bast majority of humans are good and kind and even even if brainwashed. They are deeply fearful. I personally am chipping away at this nonsense through something we have here in the States called "Braver Angels" where libs and conservatives learn to talk to each other.
ran’s nuclear program has been a subject of intense scrutiny and debate for decades. Based on the most reliable and up-to-date information, here’s the situation:
Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons development program as of April 2025. However, its nuclear activities, particularly uranium enrichment, raise concerns due to their potential dual-use nature (civilian energy vs. weapons capability). The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Western intelligence agencies, including those of the U.S. and Israel, have consistently reported that Iran halted its structured nuclear weapons program, known as the "Amad Plan," in 2003. This was corroborated by a 2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate and subsequent IAEA reports, which found no evidence of an active weapons program after 2003, though some related activities persisted into the mid-2000s.
That said, Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear capabilities in recent years, particularly since the U.S. withdrew from the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA, or "Iran nuclear deal") in 2018. Iran has:
Enriched uranium to high levels: Iran has produced uranium enriched to 60% purity, close to the 90% threshold for weapons-grade material. As of late 2024, the IAEA reported Iran possesses enough enriched uranium to theoretically produce several nuclear weapons if further enriched, though this would require additional steps and infrastructure.
Expanded centrifuge capacity: Iran has deployed advanced centrifuges, increasing its enrichment efficiency.
Restricted IAEA access: Iran has limited IAEA inspections and disabled monitoring equipment, reducing transparency and raising suspicions.
Despite these advancements, there’s no definitive evidence that Iran has resumed a dedicated weapons program. Enrichment to 60% and other activities are technically within Iran’s rights under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), as long as they’re for civilian purposes. However, the IAEA has noted that no other non-nuclear-weapon state has enriched uranium to such high levels without raising proliferation concerns.
There is a Fatwah (Law, Edict, Encyclical) in Iran AGAINST developing, let alone keeping or using, nuclear weapons. I wish I could say the same for the very nominally Christian West let alone for the extremely nominal Jewish State.
Every US intelligence agency and IAEA all say there is no weapons program. YOU are not "in the know" 🙄 Doesn't matter anyway, when Iran struck Nevatim airbase with hypersonics they demonstrated that they can wipe out Dimona any day of the week and irradiate great swathes of Israel for centuries if Israel attacks them.
I do not see how Canada can undergo four more years of this and remain Canada - in fact, I have begun to see that the Canada where I grew up is long gone. It is a strange feeling.
As for Poilievre, I am not one to get too invested in the fate of particular politicians. I figure it's easy come, easy go, this kind of thing comes with the job. But I will say this: Poilievre deserved a lot better than the doltish and smug voters of Ottawa Carleton.
I'm heartbroken.
Our generation voted for greater taxation, increasing debt, more money for Carney's Brookfield, longer lineups at food banks, home equity taxes all to "fight Trump".
Liberal voters are brainwashed and stupid.
They voted selfishly, not thinking at all about their kids and grand kids. They voted out of spite against the Freedom Convoy. They voted against their fellow Canadians who didn't support vaccine mandates.
Liberal boomers are a generation of terrified old men and women. What happened to "standing up to the man"? Now they cringe in fear in their basements, in their cars wearing masks, screaming "Elbows Up" in fits of TDS. Won't they be surprised when they realize Trump is still there and Carney caves to him.
I don't know how I'm even going to be able to talk to people I know voted Liberal. It's not just a different opinion, it's a knife in my heart.
Likewise.....
Trish, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Listening to you got me through many bad days during covid, we'll have to stick together even more now. Bless you.
Irene the Liberals pulled this minority off the way they did in 2021 by creating FEAR. And it worked. Canadians can be so dumb and numb. Honestly.
Brainwashed and Stupid
Well said. Same here. Fear, not love, conquers all, as we learned through covid.
People around me all complain about the carbon tax, the woke agenda, the cost of everything, and almost all voted for more of the same. It's truly unbelievable.
You can't fix stupid is also a common expression here. So true.
It is shocking!! My whole purpose in life is to try to make life liveable for my kids, grandkids and future generations. How people don't see that more liberal government is going to decimate that is beyond me!
I believe the old name for their disease is 'selfishness'.
Those who refused the jab were deemed selfish. Self preservation is an instinct we need, but as Trish said recently, those of middle age or more now see their property value soar to a million and think everything's working as it should. Stepping over homeless people on their way to work is fine because they are winning and someone has to lose. Selfishness on steroids is narcissism. That's the new normal imho.
Even if we'd gotten a Conservative majority the hate & fear would drive the left to impeding every last initiative. Conservatives in the US got their preferred candidate & look at the unholy maelstrom of literal destruction being waged. Trump will ultimately fail b/c he can't change the hearts & minds of the left.
The same thing is happening in every Western country. The left/globalists launched this with 'multuculturalism' a generation ago. What that did was remove any patriotic identification with our homelands. So in Europe a rape & pillage fest is unfolding now, & governments are existentially unprepared to do what's necessary. So it will continue. We've lost our patriotism, our commitment to capitalist employment of capital, our Christian values. Every Western nation is at war with itself.
All my life, my family’s culture has been to leave something to the younger generation. My fear? I’ll be unable to
You can't fix stupid. It's deeply ingrained.
Funnily enough, nobody I know complains about any of that. At any rate, why do you think those complainers voted for the Liberals?
Division is REALLY going to be amplified
Through the ancient policy of Divide and Rule ('Divide et Impera') the reign of Caligula (Trudeau) metastasized throughout Rome. Nero (Carney) has come to fiddle while a totally divided and terrorised 'Rome' burns.
Liberal boomers started off fighting 'the man'. Free speech was important as well as rights and freedoms. Then, as it is with all people and all organizations, they became rich and comfortable, and suddenly switched to wanting to keep any advantages they had in life, even if it meant losing freedoms and such. They are self absorbed, and don't really stand for anything, never really did stand for anything, just themselves. Most of us are like that though. Only a few care to stick their heads out and make life better for all. Older right wing people are the same in their own way. Maybe 10% of the population is oriented to reality properly, because they feel it's right, even if it's hard. Be proud you are one of them. And 10% is enough. This election doesn't mean much. The worldwide shift has taken place, away from the radical left, and it has here too. Carney can't get away with what Liberals used to in the last 15 years.
They’ve been captured and brainwashed by the media as well as Liberal lies which the media tolerated. Try to understand and be generous. Many have been made insanely afraid of Trump.
The results of this flip, owing primarily to the selling of DTS, will result in a west versus east divide that will be very hard to overcome. So similar to the American flip of Democratic historical values and the resulting broken country.
Thank you, Trish ! The gratitude I feel in finally having a Conservative MP, is greatly diminished by the knowledge that Pierre lost his seat and what hay the talking heads are making of that.
Classic human behavior. The elder generation has their houses with incredible equity in them, and aren't in need of income to build a life anymore, so they vote for the status quo.
That, and gaining all their knowledge by reading CBC headlines.
What an embarrassment. Get out if you can; things are going to get tough.
My son and his family left in 2023. He saw the writing on the wall, and is horrified to see how even worse it’s become.
Where did they move to?
Westminster in London
I feel the very same as U do. I am devastated and I am a boomer that can’t even fight to change it. I live in Alberta and there is really a lot of talk now about separating and having a referendum. Thankfully, we have a very good premier and she will fight the federal government as best as she can.
Can you not see it as failed harakiri, which is not supposed to hit the heart I think, for them?
It is first and foremost a suicide, no?
I’m a boomer too and you just echoed my sentiments exactly. I’m a lone wolf in a pack of rabidly deranged non critical thinkers who I have called friends for almost 40 years. I was just starting to think that maybe we could reach some common ground and then Carney and Trump came along and the insanity of Covidian thinking just came right back with a vengeance. I feel like I cannot trust them and wonder if there is anything left to salvage at this point.
I know exactly how you feel. My husband wants nothing to do with any of his old friends whom he describes as frightened old men. Just look at Neil Young! What a complete sellout coward. We need to find a new way to identify ourselves. Used to be you could trust cars with Canadian flags, not anymore. Either way, hang in there. You aren’t alone.
Liberal Canadians voted to be on the receiving end of blatant corruption. So I guess we can expect more of that too. But bigger. Because checks & balances and accountability are so 2014.
I feel the same. 100%
What a colorful world of illusions you seem to live in, and yet such a fearful and cowardly one. Worry less about other people, "Liberals", "Boomers", the vaccinated, because they surely don't waste any time on you 🤷♂️
I'm not "terrified" of viruses or Trump, who probably won't even last a full term. Irrelevant even if he does, he's just another US stooge on the stage as have been all before him. That he is less polished and more rapey hardly seems to matter in the grand Shane of things. 🤷♂️ The turn away from USA was long overdue, and I almost welcome Trump as the catalyst to make it happen.
Carney’s turning us to China which is ridiculous when we share a land mass with the US. According to journalist Sam Cooper, from The Bureau, who has contacts with Canadian and US security agencies, China is producing fentanyl in North America in order to weaken our countries. I’m surprised that Carney wants to do business with them.
I subscribe to the Bureau altho’ I bought the book for a friend.
As the French say, “Plus ca change”.
Same. I have started to think I cannot stay in Canada. I think lots of others are thinking the same.
Then Canada honestly doesn't need or want you. The ball is in your court.
Me too. Where are you thinking? I say any western country is corrupt and compromised.
The policies continue and that means so does the rapid deterioration of people’s quality of life and THAT means another election will come sooner rather than later
Hey Jackie, where are you moving to? Russia, Hungary, North Korea, Iran.., or maybe to the USA - Florida,Arizona…
You are the problem.
Why am I the problem. Like you I have considered a residence in another country and have purchased to escape the insanity. Problem is, I did it when PP had a 25% lead. Now I’m reading that other people on this forum are thinking they are going to leave, which I completely get.
Two couples I know moved to Ecuador. There’s a very large expat community there. It’s inexpensive and they have super healthcare.
Interesting? More freedom in Ecuador. I’ve heard that things are cheap there. I’ve heard Argentina is also quite cheap.
I have friends who moved there and have moved back. During the scamdemic, they had designated times they could go outside for a walk on the beach. It may be cheaper but I'm not sure it's any better.
Things are about a third of what it costs here. They have excellent healthcare as well. You can access it instantly.
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/a-statesman-after-gods-own-heart-gabriel-garcia-moreno
https://www.fisheaters.com/moreno.html
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/a-statesman-after-gods-own-heart-gabriel-garcia-moreno
But what are the government's thoughts on forced or mandated vaccines?
How on earth can you put Florida, Arizona, or Hungary in the same league as North Korea? Oh wait - did you vote Liberal? That would explain it.
Only a malevolent and sadistic Narcissistic could make a comment like yours on a day like this.
And, in true Narcissistic style, I bet you don't even have the insight to recognize how inappropriate and offensive your comment is.
Why are you even here?
If you want to live beyond your death, Russia is the right choice. If you are looking for a place to croak comfortably, it is probably Florida. I don't know about Arizona.
I was looking at an interactive map of the crime in Florida; unbelievable the amount of serious crimes there. I crossed it off my list.
Hungary FYI is an amazing country and the gov. doesn't believe in forced vaccinations. They are conservative which means 'common sense'. Their cost of living is also much better than Canada and quality of life. And they don't open their borders to every country regardless how derelict it is. Unlike Canada.
Russia believe it or not, is a free-er country than Canada. They also don't believe in forced vaxx and have an asylum program that protects you from your own gov persecution, IE a country like Canada. The USA is also more free than Canada and they have what's called 'rights' something that Canada doesn't grant their citizens. Why you ask...the Canada Gov has the power to override the 'charter of rights and freedoms'. That power makes YOUR RIGHTS non existent. At least, the USA has what's called a Constitution which is very difficult for the Gov to override. Ever. Unlike Canada Gov.
Ecuador is very nice. And there’s a large Canadian and American population there. It’s super inexpensive and they have an amazing healthcare system there. I know two couples who’ve lived there for several years.
A friend,husband and 2 kids moved there last year.
is there a language issue? My old dog won’t learn new tricks
No. If you check out Mark Vandermaas on Substack you’ll see what Ecuador is like.
Thank you for this 👍
https://vittana.org/19-major-pros-and-cons-of-living-in-ecuador
From this list, I've crossed it off my research list.
I woke up at 2am to see who won. I was shocked to find out that the majority voted for the Liberals. As you have said, we are living in days of deception. But our hope has not changed if we belong to Jesus Christ. Our faith has been strengthened. God may allow tyrants to rule us for a season. But as Jesus himself said, “In this world you will have trouble. But take heart, I have overcome the world!”
Lovely.
Amen, but He also said He would separate the Wheat from the Chaff, the Left from the Right, the Goats and the Sheep.
And the end would be near, when we discern the days of Noah.
And that the evil one will be loosed... Many will take the mark and worship him (it).
We are watching evil rise up.
This is the time to put on the Full Armor of God!
10 "Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand."
Amen. "so that when the day of evil comes" is HUGE
It's like I said above, about the sign Christ told us, it would be as in the Days of Noah.
The understanding I have of those "Days" are what we are seeing slowly unfold and purposely, all in one word that God described it.
CORRUPTION
(Gen 6:12)
We see it globally.
Mark indeed.
He sets up kings and takes them down again. I keep thinking about how God used a pagan king, Nebuchadnezzar, to punish Israel for turning their backs on Him. 70 years in Babylonian captivity - and there were believers there also - like Daniel and his friends, and the prophet Ezekiel. Is there a lesson there for Canada??
I was thinking the same this morning. Thank God for the book of Daniel. A book for our time!
Well, I have to say that the polls were right!
Unbelievable but true.
Canada broke my heart. I am having post trucker convoy trauma all over again.
It does feel that way. More trauma.
I really didn’t want to believe the polls. I was so sure the conservatives were going to win with all of the enthusiastic rallies around the country and I watched them all. I feel so terribly bad for Pierre and all of the good MPs that lost their seats. They all worked so very hard. What a devastating day for Canada and it’s people.
Ditto
I'm ashamed to Canadian today. I'm dumbfounded at the monumental stupidity of Canada. Good buy Canada, nice knowing you.
If it was only stupidity that would be bad enough.
But this Election, following 10 yrs of scandal, corruption, crime, poverty,child mutilation/gender ideology indoctrination,and incompetence was far more than a battle between Left and Right. This election was a battle between Good and Evil.
And we now know on what side of that line each of our family members, neighbors, colleagues and friends stand.
How does one ever again engage with those you now know to be cruel, heartless and Evil?
You condemn us for stupidity, and then mis-spell your post...so typically Conservative.
I’d rather have an AWARE and informed misspeller than a non aware perfect speller
Trumptard? 🤔 I suspect you might be.
In my opinion you do not have much of an argument. All you could do was heckle me about spelling, it's telling. My point was, for one, why would you vote for a party that wishes to DOUBLE our nation's debt in 4 years....that is monumentally stupid! Btw, I'm not a fan of any politician or political party. None of them truly have the peoples interests at heart, which actually is their job. I only voted conservative because the Liberals need to go. You have obviously forgotten already what the liberals have done to this once beautiful nation in the past ten years of rule.
Actually, it was a good "buy". For China. Liberals sold out Canada to China long before Trump wanted to "own" it. I hope you're as fluent in Mandarin as Carney is because you'll soon need it.
Tell me, Bud...what does "sold out to China" mean to you? Explain how this approach is different from other nations, for context.
Is pettiness typically Liberal? Interesting that you're worried about spelling and not the social and economic deterioration of the country. But I suppose you assume that the guy who helped get us into this mess is now going to clean it up? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that's what m kelly was referring to as 'stupid'. That and Liberals actually falling for the faux threat of Trump. Wow. Just wow. News flash: Carney took every REAL threat to Canada, which he helped create, and turned it into a Trump threat. And you fell for it. If you can't see that then perhaps you are the one who needs stuff spelled out for ya.
How do you figure Carney got us into this mess, when it's been PP who was sucking up 300K a year of your money to eat apples and bemoan the loss of plastic straws? He's had 20 years to apply for the job, and he blew it. No more 300k salary, no more staffs no more free house, no JOB. Looks good on him, and a narrow escape for Canada. You gonna whine about it for four years?
Are you going to tell me that no Liberal, nor any other, MPs collect a salary? Just PP does? What are you even talking about? Sounds like you've been hypnotized by CBC. You might want to examine that.
But ok, I'll play ball here. You're telling me that PP has cost Canadians 300K/year for 20 years. Math says that's 6M over 20 years. Please tell me how that compares to the utter wastage of 1.29 Billion (with a B) dollars flushed down the CBC propaganda machine toilets in 1 year...to name only a single economic abomination of your delusional Liberal party. Looks like it's working pretty well on you though. Please do tell me some more super-intelligent information you've gleaned from this right-speak institution.
As economic advisor to former PM Trudeau, Carney played his part.
Your CBC fetish/fixation is troubling. It's a measly billion dollars a year, it's literally peanuts to promote Canadian stories. Grow up.
Oooh, have I struck a nerve? I'd say it is your CBC fetish/fixation that is troubling beyond measure. But agree to disagree. It would be completely futile to talk about the ingredients of the Kool-Aid with someone who happily slurps it up. But I will hazard a correction here: CBC promotes 'certain' Canadian stories. And I think we all know which ones it promotes. Churning Liberal propaganda out like a firehose. Ah, but there I go! Getting all fixated. Haha! You are funny. :D
So if a billion is measly and peanuts, then what is 300K? Looks like that super-intelligent info is getting you nowhere. Surprise, surprise.
You got nothing, dude. Go find some friends. If that is even possible.
Carney was also Harper's advisor during the 2008 financial crisis. Does that disqualify him? You trust PP, who never held a job in his life? What was PP back in 2008, Day's dog walker? Gtfoh 🤣
Different time. Didn't care about Harper and no one here has made any claims that I trust PP.
But if we want to get nostalgic, I wonder what Justin Trudeau was doing in 2008.
You’re so brain dead it’s pathetic. Carney has been advising Trudeau and Freeland for the last 5 years, ruining Canada. The guy is a net zero freak who’s worse than Trudy
You have some feelings, huh? You have four years to get over them.
You're an idiot! Wake up, open your eyes.
You’re casting a wide net. I could say that’s typically Liberal. But, that’d be stupid, wouldn’t it?
You just cast a net from coast to coast, calling Canadians "monumentally stupid", did you not? What manner of hypocrisy is this, now?
I’m not sure if you noticed, but Jan is a different person from the poster to which you responded. Also, the term “goodbye” actually descends from the expression “May God buy you!” It merely became syncopated. So this actually makes quite a nice pun. Canada just sold itself out to the globalists and bankers. Good “buy” indeed!
Tell me, what does it mean to "sell out to globalists and bankers"? Be very specific, please.
Perhaps it hasn’t yet occurred to you that what you believe can only be what is the present content of your brain. As a part of the masses you are subject to information which is intended to manipulate you! Mass formation psychosis is promulgated by the intentionally deceptive messaging you are fed in the media.
Did you know media in Canada like say the National Post is owned by a U.S. corporation? Did you know the federal government subsidizes the newspapers you read? Did you know Thompson Reuters is a giant gather of information from around the globe which is pre-digested for your consumption, i.e. that it is edited and slanted — albeit subtly — to have you believe things which are not in fact accurate. Did you know the family which owns Thompson Routers is based in the U.S. They own the Globe and Mail!
The Thompson family are nominally Canadians but live in the United States.
The federal government in Ottawa has permitted foreign corporations to control the programming you watch, read and hear on the radio.
Mark Carney was the governor of the Bank of Canada and of the United Kingdom. Did you know that every central bank in the West is a shareholder in the Bank for International Settlements based in Switzerland? I put the relationship simply on purpose. In fact the relationship is more complicated and much worse than just a shareholder. But now you have a hint as to what to do to begin to educate yourself. Google Bank For International Settlements.
The Bank for International Settlements was Mark Carney’s boss when he was the governor of the Bank of Canada and of the United Kingdom.
Now that he is Prime Minister he is beholden to— as we all are — to the entity which controls the Bank for International Settlements.
These people do not have you interests or mine in mind or anyone who lives in Canada.
These are the people who instructed Donald Trump to alarm Canadians that he was going to turn Canada into the 51st state.
Something you and most people do not understand: Canada is a satrapy of the U.S.
But it’s worse than you can imagine. The U.S. is a satrapy of the people who run the Bank for International Settlements. As is Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and more than a few others.
Every country in the West must use the U.S. to transact international business. The U.S. dollar is a product of the Federal Reserve Bank located in the U.S. But the paper currency printed in the U.S. is hardly a true picture of the activities of the Federal Reserve. The fact is rather peculiar and not easy to understand. But the fact is the money supply is a digital form of keeping track of loans. When one corporation say a U.S. corporation buys another corporation — say a Canadian resource company. There is no money changing hands. What changes is a bank switches the lean on the asset from one corporation to another. It is the interest on the debt the new ‘owners’ of the corporation pay the bank which the bank is owed. Same entity, same income stream, same asset — but the purchasing corporation, in essence, remortgages the debt on the old enterprise. If the corporation is domiciled in Canada but is owned by an international corporation and financed by a bank domiciled in say Great Britain the interest payments go the bank in Great Britain. The profits though go to the shareholders of the International Corporation. Neither the interest income or the profits stay in Canada.
The corporation may pay certain taxes. But the wage earners, pay a vast amount of the taxes which are of course deducted from their wages before they see a dime. Corporations pay property taxes which they most certainly manage to deduct a good amount of from their balance sheet.
And in many cases the Government subsidizes the corporation with grants of one kind or another.
When you voted for Mark Carney — if you did — you voted for the guy who facilitates the Global Corporate policies you are subjected to support. Same as Trudeau facilitated.
Mark Carney will facilitated the further looting of Canadas wealth.
The stuff in the ground, your brains and competencies, the countries know how, your taxes etc. are all assets the international corporations, and Globalist bankers appropriate with the voters permission of course.
Pierre Poilievre is a nationalist which means to the best of his ability he would have tried to keep some of the wealth Canadians’ produce in their pockets. Carney will be doing the opposite.
But he is a clever manipulator of the facts; watch and see. But at least now you may actually see just how clever Mark Carney is!
He is not your friend.
"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863
Beat it wanker!
So typically communist. Caring more about grammar mistakes than reflecting and commenting on the substance. Your smug narcissism will be your downfall.
Communists typically care about grammar? 🤔 Are you sure? Could it be that your smug "knowledge" of "communists" could your ticket to CAMH?
...said the Pally-Pal whose sentence makes no sense...
I just read my post again, I did mis-spell, thanks for letting me know.
I'm not conservative so nice try. What did I mis-spell?
Thank you for showing so much humility.
This is the first place I came this morning, to see Trish’s comments, then I will not engage in ANY social media, it’s 7 AM, I’m crying.
Don't cry Karen. Let's try and have some faith that these things can turn around quite quickly.... I've seen it happen in my life.
The last nine, NINE YEARS of the scandals, the secrets, the arrogance, the ROGUE NESS, the lack of accountability- the $9000/night hotel rooms, ArriveCAN going from <$100G to EIGHTY MILLION- no recovery of funds.
I can’t go through it again- watching the conservatives work very hard, but just smashing their heads against the wall in Parliament.
This result is VERY emboldening to the Global initiatives that are happening right now.
I’m thinking of Naomi Wolf’s recent comments too.
The canary in the mine - Canada - has died. The owners noticed. But they are keeping quiet about it.
AND, we have to be the drivers of change. We have to stay engaged, as exhausting as that may be.
I’m also going to log off 💔
I'm so with you Karen. How about we start a petition at change.org. writing letters to the conservatives to complain is the only way I know how. Short of protests and rallies but I'm not that type of girl who knows maybe I am. I'm crying with you
there has to be a way, I was quasi researching today- electoral reform is part Constitutional and part Election Act.
HOW do we have so many seats??? Regardless of population concentrations there’s no way it’s right that half the Country knows their vote means shit
Maybe Trish can have Bruce Pardy on to chat.
I felt bad when I awoke, because I went to bed before the real coverage started, because I didn't think my nerves could take it. So I woke up today, not surprised but no completely demoralized. Because it was a minority government. But then at 5:30 or so to learn that Poilievre had lost his seat that kind of did it for me. Say what you want, when you look at the rallies, you know he was giving people hope. Watching him talk to people one on one, he was the performance artist that Trudeau that feigned compassion when he had none, because he's a narcissist and a socio-path, of which there is no doubt. Poilievre's sincerity was genuine, I believe. What is disturbing about his seat lost is that 1. It will be demoralizing for many who had put their hopes in him. 2. I am not sure what those 90 extra names on his ballot did, but it certainly raises suspicions about the vote there. 3. It will leave the Conservative Party in disarray as they try to figure out next steps while Carney is just getting ready start implementing his agenda and likely making a deal with the Bloc, who are if nothing else opportunists, to ensure he has the votes to do it. So it's not just bad, its very bad. We have had three Conservative leaders in the past ten years... Andrew Sheer couldn't pull it off, because he was too Christian and thought that by being nice to the media vipers who hate Conservatives they would at least be fair, and they weren't. 2. O'Toole, turned out to be a sellout, a very red Tory and a coward when it came to the Freedom Convoy, he was so bad his own party turfed him as leader. 3. Poilievre... who was strong, who was committed and seemed to really inspire people..... and refused to take shit from the media vipers that tried to trip him up. He was the first real threat to the Liberals in ten years and somehow he lost his seat in a riding that he had secured for 20 years... just because of the Freedom Convoy? Something stinks here. I just wonder how much Ford and company had to do with this. Because of course, this now brings into question a possible Conservative leadership race... and wasn't Dougie just waiting for that.
But then we know just how corrupt Canada has become. Infiltrated by China, ruled by WEF instalments first Trudeau, Freeland and now Carney. Suffice it to say I am very depressed by it all. Not sure what our next steps will be but my husband and I have discussed leaving the country to live out our retirement in perhaps Barbados where it is relatively easy to stay as a retiree or perhaps move to Alberta. I know you say forgive, but in my neighbourhood I am surrounded by Liberals who put Carney in office yesterday, and I am pretty short on forgiveness right now.
I'm retired and wish I could move out, but I'm not a financially set. Which is my FEAR of Carney because he's made dubious remarks about out pensions and that's a very SERIOUS concern one the 'boomer' Liberal voters DIDNT THINK THROUGH!
Liberals that vote don’t think anything through. The Liberals that run election campaigns do and on top of that have no conscience, no scruples, no ethics so that helps a lot… when honesty and integrity are at the bottom of their list of qualities you need to work on a Liberal campaign.
True! No scruples ethics or common decency. Example: Liberal candidate here on Vancouver Island joked about homeless people using Liberal signs as shelter material. Another class act.
That is just sad and maddening at the same time. Carney and his pack of wolves.
They’re all about emotion.
I think a lot of the liberal boomers have an awful lot of money. Unlike some of the rest of us.
I'm with you all the way. I can't leave but I am surrounded by a conservative stronghold in my riding. Mark Strahl won by over 10,000 votes. I will be contacting him to see how I can fight back and support the conservatives. We the People need to let them know Pierre is the right man for the job. I am heartbroken for him, Ana and his family. This was his dream
And it was our hope which is now in tatters.
BEWARE PEOPLE I THINK THIS MAY NOT BE TRISH.
Will we ever see a truly conservative party again, with conservative values? Do we even know what true conservative values are anymore?
Instead, we view CPC leaders (advised by backroom boyz ‘n girlz) repeatedly seeking to straddle the mushy middle, lest the lib-lefty MotherCorp + CTV + Global dump (I was thinking of another word) all over them for every policy that comes out of their mouths. Of course the paid-off, robot M-Corp will always and everywhere ridicule every CPC statement, so, if that is the case, why not be true to conservatism and be Corp-damned for the conservo-truths we supposedly believe. And, while we are at it, we might even throw in a few (gasp!) so-Con tenets.
As Trish so wisely reminds us: LIVE NOT BY LIES. May it be suggested that the Libs and Dips and Bloc do not compromise. They are the Popeye parties: “I y’am what I y’am.” No hypocrisy about stating what they believe in (albeit with the Liberals wrapped in perennial lib tricksies up their sleevesies). Can we at least find the integrity to be “conservative” and not the nice middle-mush party we think MotherCorp will like and applaud - snort, guffaw?
I could not bear watching returns last night. I respect my BP too much. Headphones and a Tucker interview while dh watched (alas, I selected Catherine Austin Fitts!) Dh’s body language out of the corner of my eye told me everything. Crushed warrior today. Crushed because too many lazy Canucks drank the koolaid of MotherCorp, temporary cheap gas, and the promise of an “economist” running our nation.
Happy warrior? Give me a few days. Thanks, Trish, for talking us off ledges.
I'm not exactly happy warrior-ing right now myself. But its a goal.
I read that the Liberal who won Pierre’s seat began canvassing as soon as he became party leader and was away from the riding a lot.
I am glad to be living in Alberta and Danielle Smith is an iron woman. She will fight Carney if she has to. There are so many crazy places in the world . We are retired so we have to think about healthcare, etc. I guess we just stay here for the moment and maybe we will have to fight for separation if it gets to bad. For now, I think Alberta is the best province to be in and we still have some reasonably priced homes, etc..
PP lost his own riding?! 😏
Yes.
The outcome is not surprising. You could tell that Canadians had lost their way when they turned against the truckers convoy. The majority didn’t even understand the point. After the lost Liberal decade, if you don’t see the need for a total change of direction i’m afraid Canada is not coming back.
That is true -- it was a sign.
The media and the Liberals poisoned people against the Convoy.
History does not run backwards. Those who denigrated the truckers are ignorant of the values as written in Canadas Charter of Human Rights as passed in the Canadian parliament in 1960. Giving our rights and freedoms away was foolish — allowing the Liberal party to trample them cannot therefore be relied on to protect the ignorant when they need them. And it only follows that they will one day turn to their Charter rights or their children will — and tragically they will not remember that they voted them away.
The charter protects Canadians’ their right to assemble. The Charter protects our freedom to speak. Trudeau abrogated those rights. It is almost impossible to acknowledge how easily the voting public threw their rights away when they failed to recognize the moment in the crunch when those rights were being trashed. I never imagined I would be witness to such a thing in Canada,
May I suggest they read Anne Applebaum’s books. But especially Iron Curtain, The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1945-1954.
It ought to chill the ones who read it, to the bone. Those who tyrannized — never sleep — ever! Those who voted Liberal ought to have taken to the streets when Trudeau lied and connived and plotted and destroyed Canadian democracy every single day he was Prime Minister. Ignorance is bliss until discovering you sold your soul for a pittance.
Not so long ago in Russia thousands of declared Communists were killed in a purge by Joseph Stalin. They imagined he was a Communist. Not so, he was a Nationalist. He understood that the dyed in the wool Communists were internationalists i.e. globalist international bankers! They were not self-identifying as Globalists. But he understood as Putin does that the Globalists i.e. the internationalists wanted to bring Russia under the thumb of the ‘real’ internationalists. Call them fiat money promulgators.
This guy Mark Carney is a fiat money banker. Putin in his interview with Tucker Carlson explained to him Russias’ experience with the Globalists. He does not intend to sell his people down the river. He related Russia history to Carlson. Of course Putin’s message was for the Globalist bankers. Mark Carney is a Globalist. Canada is for sale! Not so Russia. Russians learned the hard way.
Mark Carney like Justin Trudeau like Paul Martin like Brian Mulroney like Jean Chrétien like Pierre Trudeau like Mike Pearson — all of them sell outs.
Not so, the last nationalist Prime Minister — John Diefenbaker — the one who gifted Canadians their Charter. Everyone ought to read it. Everyone who voted Liberal and read the Charter would be embarrassed. One could only hope!
Happy Warrior here Holding the line!
We lost another battle but not the war.
Thanks for the caring message once again Trish!
Civil war?
A war to uphold truth and freedom of speech.
You should just leave for Mexico
As a Hamas and Hezbollah supporter, I could suggest a few spots you should leave for..
It's far more important to stay and speak up in Canada against Israeli apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide. Canada has a legal obligation as a member of the ICJ to act to stop Israel's actions in Gaza. You either believe in the "rule of law" and the "western, rules-based international order", or you do not, but the law is clear in it's judgements against Israel since 1967.
We would be thrilled if all of the liberals did.
We Liberals are happy here in Canada, you're the disgruntled malcontent, so YOU should go live in a narcostate while we build Canada 🤷♂️
My family came to the new world in 1634 and I don’t plan on leaving anytime soon. We have fought in wars for our freedom and worked the land and earned our place here.
Oh, so your family just fought for Conservative freedoms , is that it? Not all Canadians, as I did?
Stage 4 normalization reinforcement with even heavier censorship. The subverted will be emboldend to shame and smear all who oppose with the usual epithets.
I'm very afraid of the censorship piece...if we get to where Britain is we are totally screwed.
me too
how people can't see how this whole thing is just like covid i don't understand
we'll need to start speaking in code again in order to identify like minded souls.
My aunt and grandmother survived 15 years under the Stazi... good role models for me to lean on.
They drank the kool-aid Irene, in many forms. Observe people when you're out in public, you might notice the short attention spans, staring at grocery products seemingly confused, leaving carts in the ailes and walking to the other end etc. I'm taking notes.
They stare at grocery products wondering are they made in Canada.
Yes, this- watch people. Observant people are getting an eye full
Yes! If I am reading between the lines correctly, you are referring to the poison-like their on the 47th booster!?
There are a plethora of neurological pathologies due to the poisoning. Just saying…
You're correct!
I didn't want to make a “wild and crazy” assumption.
Zombies everywhere. Cognitively impaired, for certain. So much fear!
I can't even talk to my friends about this. My two best friends voted liberal. One because Carney bought a submarine, and the other one because her EI rates are going to go up. I was dumbfounded. So uninformed and misinformed
I think it's past time to get some new friends. 🧡
I agree. I have no idea who to trust. How will I be able to speak freely without some "informant" telling on me. The potential for civil war is very real in my opinion.
The plans for censorship I fear will drive many of our brightest young minds to exit the country
I totally agree with that and we are well on the road. It is horrible in the UK. It is over 58% refugees and immigrants.
This is Canada, yet TDS won it for the liberals.
Yup, yet they say they don't want to be controlled by the US. I hope that becomes funny some day.
Canadians voted for Canada to continue to be a satrapy of the U.S. I was shocked when I first saw the U.S. embassy. It is a fortress.
Trumps globalist banker handlers instructed him to alarm Canadians. Canadians voted for 50 years to sell out to U.S. corporate interests. Does anyone reading this imagine China would allow United States corporation to own China Daily or any Chinese newspaper or media property?
Canadas media properties are owned and controlled by either Canadian giants like Rogers or American Corporations. It’s laughable that Canadian tax payers subsidize newspaper properties owned by U.S. corporations.
If only they (we all) knew, but "they" don't want to. The free trade agreements of the late 80s signed off on so much of our national sovereignty we became the most-sued nation on earth as American corporate interests claimed their right to over-ride all our protective regulations. Health Canada became a rubber stamp for the FDA, for one thing, and we see how that's turning out...
The elbows up signalling really is a chicken dance with Carney as the rooster. As he says, he knows the way the world works.
How sad it is!
Going to take solace in a little road trip and some nature. Here’s to nature who is far more powerful than any human, political or otherwise. Cheers to the sun.
That sounds like a wonderful idea! I'm in the beautiful Fraser Valley. I was thinking more of a hardcore exercise workout! It's rainy today and it seems fitting. That said, I'm falling off the grid for a week. I can't talk to my friends and some of my family members. I do however have an appointment with my psychologist today and somehow the topic has changed! Election grief
Beach walk at the ocean with partner and dogs
That's what I did. I saw a beaver swimming in the river, building. I'll take it :)
Devastating that Canadians seemed to have amnesia, I mean the past 10 years of scandals, ethic breaches, crime rate, housing shortages, carbon tax robbery, etc.
The Liberals pulled off the win by focusing on a Non-issue and using Trudeau's One Play, from the playbook.
Joel Lightbound exposed it, Wedge, Divide, Stigmatize, and Coat it in FEAR.
Trump, his joke (51st State) is a blip on the radar, the last TEN years is what the election was about!
Carney took Pierre's best portions of his Campaign (plagiarized) and attempted to present it as his own and outright lies about the Conservatives: that they would challenge Women's Rights (abortion), and that Pierre will sell us out to the USA.
If it's a choice of Carney or become the USA?
51st looks more appealing.
Of course it’s more appealing. I would say the election was about the last 20 years. Harper was replaced for a reason. Be careful of the choices. Do a full read and comprehend of the separation process. It will be difficult to do.
The easiest path forward knowing how you feel it to move to the States. I’ll post what I see as the hurdles to AB separation if…
Enjoy your day.
100% the Separation Process won't happen overnight, I see it taking years.
TO BE CLEAR -- I will NEVER move to the USA, I have Zero interest in becoming the 51st or being Annexed into the country.
First Hurtle would be the Indigenous People, they have to be informed and involved from the get go, they literally "own" Canada, for lack of a better explanation.
A relative out West (Alberta) sent me some info a couple of weeks ago, when I find it, I will share with you here Paul.
Have a great day!
Wow Dee. If you pay into Canada pension you can claim your pension anywhere in the world. If you are not a member and let’s say are a member of the AB pension plan you claim from them. OAS is not a pension. Not every Canadian gets OAS. If you are not Canadian you don’t get it. Please tell me you are not a financial advisor at Langford Financial.
Canada is already the 51st state. Canada is a satrapy of the U.S. They own Canada but you cannot vote for your President — Canadians are stuck with Prime Ministers who work for or have worked for U.S. corporations. We’d be better off with States rights rather than French Canadians Rights. Quebecers just voted for a lever to demand more stuff for Quebec.
K9. How about moving. A number of posters are looking for a new country. Sounds like the US may be the spot. Real estate prices are dropping like a stone in Florida and Arizona. Nice climate.
That would be a hard no. I didn't say I Believe it was more appealing, as in to me personally. It was intended to convey just how shitty this LYING Liberal win is. Not looking forward to the attempt to own us and we own nothing.
I don't even own a Passport, however, IF we didn't have elders to take care of, and we are in our 60's, if Provinces were to separate, that "might" be an option. But not until our responsibilities here in ON are fulfilled.
Apologies my comment wasn't clearer, it was before coffee.
Okay, next question if you are up to it? Just trying to understand. So, if a Canadian province were to separate you would move there? No CP, no OAS and diminished health care - do you think that you would be okay with that. What provinces do you think would separate?
Prior to the Election, there were a lot of "rumours" from Manitoba and Westward. So for the sake of discussion...
The last UPS and downs of the Markets, did hurt some people regarding their investments and depending on risk management. I am also sure, if a Province did separate, they are going to request the portion of OAS, in some sort of a package. I could never imagine a situation where they would say; we're outa here and take nothing from what they've given/entitled to? Sign of a poorly led separation.
Healthcare, 1970's it began with an axe here and there by Provinces. Remember Ford campaigned to fix what Dalton (Lib) took huge chunks and his replacement caused, it was labelled "Hallway Medicine.
Nope, he did more damage and tossed bandages, he allowed, more recently, nurses, staff, etc. to be fired, lose pension, etc. for exercising their right to say No.
Over 9 hrs to get stitches on my left index finger at the local hospital. That's not unique, it's become the norm. So I would welcome change, growth, freedom to say no, IF another Province did the steps, planning, and funding, also through separation negotiation.
Life calls.
I hear you. Lost a lot of money on investments personally but know that public pensions including CCP are heavily invested in the NY stock exchange and have taken a bath. Provinces don’t typically manage their budgets very well. Alberta has been abysmal. One of Canada’s problem is our lack of size relative to other industrialized nations. A province with 3 million would find it very expensive to fund the safety net but maybe that is a good thing. Private insurance would definitely be available, if you can afford it. Pension money held provincially would probably be invested within the province. High risk proposition though.
We haven't looked or asked our advisor at the moment.
I have family that live out West and have told me of the lack of population, after growing up in Ontario.
I was pondering this discussion while doing dinner prep, retired and have to stay busy lol!
There is another beast... Our Canadian Constitution and Charter. If one opts out of Canada, can they adopt with word revisions? (Rhetorical for a point lol!)
I would then say, let's look at Quebec, whom under Trudeau was almost Carte Blanche but, why?
Was it the Threat to really leave Canada? We heard Legault talk about how Quebec governs itself differently, like in the language and the ongoing fight with "religious symbols" which I get - it's more than the wearing of a cross. And who he doesn't want in Quebec because they won't or can't learn the language (also from the debate).
Quebec is more about control and isolation than a free province, but they tend to hold their own in the big picture against the Feds.
It's a huge discussion and separation of any province wouldn't happen over night, the infrastructure that exists has had the last 200 years (ballpark) building.
My ancestors came from Wicklow Ireland in 1812 to 1815, sponsored/brought over by Colonel Thomas Talbot.
Even back then they made people work the land and live in the community for a year before they could buy land.
CPP and OAS follow you wherever you go, even out of country
From Langford Financial Inc.
"Because CPP is a "member-contributed plan" it will always be yours, regardless of where you live in the world. If you paid in at least 1 CPP contribution, you are entitled to a benefit.
If you live in Canada for at least 40 years between the ages of 18-65 you qualify for a full pension from OAS. If you live here for less than 40 years but more than 10 years you are entitled to at least 25% of the full pension. For every year above 10 years, you will get 1/40th of the full amount.
If you decide to leave Canada to live elsewhere in the world your eligibility to receive the OAS pension is based on having lived in Canada for at least 20 years. If you lived in Canada for less than 20 years then you will receive your pension cheque for 6 months after you have left and then it will terminate."
Alberta would provide all that and more. But they will never separate from Canada.
Thanks for clarifying
Sadly and unbelievably, a climate of freedom more than what faces Canada now.
That's because Florida will be under water soon enough due to the "nice climate". Nobody will miss Florida when the ocean reclaims it.
Fuckitty bye!
Thanks for being a beacon of sanity Trish <3
I feel humiliated once again -- it's the same feeling I had when "show your papers" became the ticket to participate in daily life and when I was sick to my stomach worried the government would freeze my bank account. The irony is that I want to lock myself down voluntarily so as not to have to share space with the Canadians who have done this to us, because we all know it's the same cadre of Covid tyrants.
I'll survive -- I've got a Plan B -- but the Canada I grew up in is well and truly gone.
Is plan B moving?
For us, Plan B was getting permanent residency in Mexico and buying a home there. We also have gold and silver in a vault outside of Canada and will be opening a bank account in Mexico next time we're there in case we need or want to move money out of Canada quickly.
For now, our plan is to live part-time in Canada and Mexico because we have young adult children here and my mom who is 83. The residency allows us to leave Canada permanently but our personal and financial entanglements make it difficult right now. The Plan B helps me sleep better at night! I have helped others get their residency in Mexico and urge Canadians who have the means to secure another residency to give it strong consideration.
I just got back from Mexico. The Trump/US thing is not very popular down there. May have to tone down the anti Canada, MAGA thing. They love Canada, Canadians and anybody that stands up to America.
I hear you. Our town in Mexico is full of Americans who have "escaped" Trump so we try to stay away from discussions of politics. However, I have also met some Canadians who are there for the same reasons I am. People are there to escape something, we just don't fear the same things!
Good point.
Interesting. Can you open a bank account in Mexico without owning a residence?
Yes, if you become a temporary or permanent resident you can open a bank account. While there are some places that require you to buy real estate in order to get residence, Mexico does not require it.
Good to know. My information was you had to have financial assets, ie real estate before you applied.
There are a few different residency options, but most get their residency based on proof of means. You need to demonstrate you've had a certain amount of money in your bank/investment account for 12 months or a certain stream of monthly income that is guaranteed. The amounts keep changing and they can be different from consulate to consulate. For temporary residency the amount is lower. After renewing temporary residency three times, you can convert it to permanent residency without having to show any further proof of means. Even the yearly renewals don't require anything further.
You apply for residency from Canada, have an appointment at a Mexican consulate here and, if approved, you have 6 months to go to Mexico to get your residency card.
You feel you're better off in a narco state 🤔
Yup! If you think the entirety of Mexico is dangerous and run by the cartels you clearly don't know anything about Mexico. There are dangerous areas, just like there are in Canada. I feel much safer in my town in Mexico that I feel when I'm in Toronto. To each his/her own -- if you don't like Mexico try Panama, Uruguay, etc. It's a big world and there are alternatives to Canada.
Why would I leave Canada to live in a third-world back-water? It's ridiculous..I love Canada, I served Canada, it's MY Canada.
No different than here in "Chinada", but I guess you have been in a coma for the past ten years and missed all the drug trafficking and gang wars that have been happening.
Trish I'm so sorry............ I know how hard you fought to prevent this. Even with "our win" in the USA, I'm still disappointed, now Trump is threatening to attack Iran because of a non existent nuclear warhead program and yet allows Israel to continue on escalating the possibility of nuclear war. And this after being the "non war President". Such bullshit. This unmitigated support for Israel is beyond my comprehension. All these politicians are flawed and we must begin to look to each other and our local governments to create something new. Be a happy warrior and love your life and appreciate every thing around you all day long. It's the best medicine. And know that the bast majority of humans are good and kind and even even if brainwashed. They are deeply fearful. I personally am chipping away at this nonsense through something we have here in the States called "Braver Angels" where libs and conservatives learn to talk to each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtDXpzI8R44
"non existent nuclear warhead program" How do you know this? I recommend you follow the Gatestone Website.
Hey Rod! Go jump in the lake.
This is from Grok........
ran’s nuclear program has been a subject of intense scrutiny and debate for decades. Based on the most reliable and up-to-date information, here’s the situation:
Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons development program as of April 2025. However, its nuclear activities, particularly uranium enrichment, raise concerns due to their potential dual-use nature (civilian energy vs. weapons capability). The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Western intelligence agencies, including those of the U.S. and Israel, have consistently reported that Iran halted its structured nuclear weapons program, known as the "Amad Plan," in 2003. This was corroborated by a 2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate and subsequent IAEA reports, which found no evidence of an active weapons program after 2003, though some related activities persisted into the mid-2000s.
That said, Iran has significantly advanced its nuclear capabilities in recent years, particularly since the U.S. withdrew from the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA, or "Iran nuclear deal") in 2018. Iran has:
Enriched uranium to high levels: Iran has produced uranium enriched to 60% purity, close to the 90% threshold for weapons-grade material. As of late 2024, the IAEA reported Iran possesses enough enriched uranium to theoretically produce several nuclear weapons if further enriched, though this would require additional steps and infrastructure.
Expanded centrifuge capacity: Iran has deployed advanced centrifuges, increasing its enrichment efficiency.
Restricted IAEA access: Iran has limited IAEA inspections and disabled monitoring equipment, reducing transparency and raising suspicions.
Despite these advancements, there’s no definitive evidence that Iran has resumed a dedicated weapons program. Enrichment to 60% and other activities are technically within Iran’s rights under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), as long as they’re for civilian purposes. However, the IAEA has noted that no other non-nuclear-weapon state has enriched uranium to such high levels without raising proliferation concerns.
There is a Fatwah (Law, Edict, Encyclical) in Iran AGAINST developing, let alone keeping or using, nuclear weapons. I wish I could say the same for the very nominally Christian West let alone for the extremely nominal Jewish State.
Every US intelligence agency and IAEA all say there is no weapons program. YOU are not "in the know" 🙄 Doesn't matter anyway, when Iran struck Nevatim airbase with hypersonics they demonstrated that they can wipe out Dimona any day of the week and irradiate great swathes of Israel for centuries if Israel attacks them.
I do not see how Canada can undergo four more years of this and remain Canada - in fact, I have begun to see that the Canada where I grew up is long gone. It is a strange feeling.
As for Poilievre, I am not one to get too invested in the fate of particular politicians. I figure it's easy come, easy go, this kind of thing comes with the job. But I will say this: Poilievre deserved a lot better than the doltish and smug voters of Ottawa Carleton.